Tory Leadership Race

[Sportyteacher]

If the Labour Party wasn't digging itself an early funereal hole courtesy of its stance towards winter fuel payments, the subject of the Tory Leadership race would be a dead and buried one in itself i.e. all candidates who were complicit in party policy failings.

 

[cROYdonrogers]

The Conservatives will be handicapped so long as the Party members - recently estimated as numbering just 130,000 - make the final choice of leader. They gave us Johnson and Truss, and anyone who saw any of the "fly-on-the-wall" footage of members' discussions ahead of those disasters couldn't fail to see that they were unrepresentative of most of the electorate. Same problem, I suppose, that Labour once had with the unions' influence on the leader's selection.

Is a good point. Much as the Unions hold sway with Labour. I suppose it's their party, so they can make the rules, but it is a real issue when the party is in power and their skewed process elects a Prime Minister. Seems wrong. Leave it to MP's or trigger an election.
To answer the original question Cleverley or Badenoch I suppose. Starmer wasn't pulling up trees but won an election.

 

[beak]

Thatcher's ashes would win the Tory leadership election - and probably do a better job than the other candidates.

She really screwed up, look at the state of the rivers,council house problems etc. She introduced Poo and Poverty to Great Britain.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

She really screwed up, look at the state of the rivers,council house problems etc. She introduced Poo and Poverty to Great Britain.

Did she? I'm pretty sure I remember both of them before 1979.

 

[eritheagle]

She really screwed up, look at the state of the rivers,council house problems etc. She introduced Poo and Poverty to Great Britain.

She gave people that couldn't afford to buy a house the chance to dream of owning their own property. How was she to know that succesive goverments would let in millions upon millions of people which would as a result create a shortage of council houses.

And I'm quite sure there was the winter of discontent before Maggie got in which wasn't repeated during her time as Prime Minister.

 

[Glazier#1]

She really screwed up, look at the state of the rivers,council house problems etc. She introduced Poo and Poverty to Great Britain.

Let's not forget the railways.

But more, she introduced untrammelled free market practices. Maggie - the patron saint of zero-hours contracts.

 

[Glazier#1]

Anyone think perhaps Tories have gone the way of the Liberals? Biggest traditional party to nothing.
In fairness, Labour aren't relevant anymore either - it's why they've gone woke. There isn't much of a unified working class except for perhaps the wannabees at BBC and in the Civil Service. With their working class credentials and slight knowledge of slang at dinner parties.
Which explains their bizarre political positions. Kind of crypto Marxism which isn't actually enacted - along with distorted hippy values - from their Greenham Common mothers.

For Tories, who are the toffs and businessmen anymore? We spoke about Public schools a while back - you think they're all little Englanders? Last I looked there were a load of Arabs and Asians - hence Sunak etc. They're not a traditionalist party anymore. Sh1t these days, even the Royals are barely traditional. Soon they'll be like, shudder, Prince Albert of Monaco or whatever - and probably living there. Or like any of the countless other royals who no one gives a f*** about until it's a public holiday because it's their birthday.

New parties are a coming, I tells ya.

I wonder, and please indulge me, could you please explain exactly how you are defining this description. In clear terms, can you please explain to me (and perhaps others who read it) what you mean by 'crypto Marxism'.

And then, could you elaborate on what you mean, precisely by 'Distorted hippy values'.

 

[Midlands Eagle]

The Conservatives will be handicapped so long as the Party members - recently estimated as numbering just 130,000 - make the final choice of leader. They gave us Johnson and Truss, and anyone who saw any of the "fly-on-the-wall" footage of members' discussions ahead of those disasters couldn't fail to see that they were unrepresentative of most of the electorate.

We have one of them as a prominent HOL poster and he is unrepresentative of almost everybody 😀

 

[cryrst]

I wonder, and please indulge me, could you please explain exactly how you are defining this description. In clear terms, can you please explain to me (and perhaps others who read it) what you mean by 'crypto Marxism'.

And then, could you elaborate on what you mean, precisely by 'Distorted hippy values'.

You don’t need indulging for sure glazier 😂

 

[JRW2]

Let's not forget the railways.

But more, she introduced untrammelled free market practices. Maggie - the patron saint of zero-hours contracts.

Please explain. What did she do to the railways?

 

[beak]

She gave people that couldn't afford to buy a house the chance to dream of owning their own property. How was she to know that succesive goverments would let in millions upon millions of people which would as a result create a shortage of council houses.

And I'm quite sure there was the winter of discontent before Maggie got in which wasn't repeated during her time as Prime Minister.

Letting in migrants was part of her economic boom mantra, it also cheapened wages for the working class.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Letting in migrants was part of her economic boom mantra, it also cheapened wages for the working class.

On what scale?

 

[beak]

On what scale?

Big time.

 

[eritheagle]

Letting in migrants was part of her economic boom mantra, it also cheapened wages for the working class.

The words 'poetic' and 'licence' spring to mind!

I don't remember any problems with migration when Thatcher was in charge. I know that Major sold us down the river where Europe was concerned but blair was the real villain when it comes to uncontrolled migration and low wages including zero hour contracts etc.

 

[silvertop]

If the Labour Party wasn't digging itself an early funereal hole courtesy of its stance towards winter fuel payments, the subject of the Tory Leadership race would be a dead and buried one in itself i.e. all candidates who were complicit in party policy failings.

Nah, this early on in the government cycle? By the time the election comes round, the winter fuel thing will be forgotten by those who oppose it, but remembered by those who saw no issue in taking an unearned benefit away from folk with a higher disposable income than them.

I understand why the Tories oppose as they depend on the grey vote for their very existence. And the 50-odd prospective Labour rebels are probably thinking the same way with small majorities etc. However, the question is that union woman? She knows all that tosh about freezing poor old people to death is absolute cobblers. So what is she gaining from saying it?

 

[NMPalace]

Not controversial enough.

well he did joke about spiking his wife's drink with a date rape drug, which seems a strange thing to joke about and at a minimum not very professional.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

well he did joke about spiking his wife's drink with a date rape drug, which seems a strange thing to joke about and at a minimum not very professional.

Unless he meant as a sedative while he nipped out for an away fixture. Much more becoming of a Tory MP.

 

[Stirlingsays]

well he did joke about spiking his wife's drink with a date rape drug, which seems a strange thing to joke about and at a minimum not very professional.

Meh, I don't mind jokes....though if what a politician says in off hand comments colours what you think about them then that's cool. That said I think it leads to very safe, dishonest and boring politicians.

Personally, I'm not fond of any of the Conservative line up and it's an intrinsically dying party that has spent it's time since Blair making poor directional decisions.

When you realise that the Conservatives are essentially just a career vehicle you lose interest and only a few of them in the party actually believe in anything conservative.....and most of them are in the base rather than the MPs.

 

[ASCPFC]

I wonder, and please indulge me, could you please explain exactly how you are defining this description. In clear terms, can you please explain to me (and perhaps others who read it) what you mean by 'crypto Marxism'.

And then, could you elaborate on what you mean, precisely by 'Distorted hippy values'.

What I mean by crypto Marxism is talking socialist ideals but not actually having them
By distorted hippy values, I mean loving everyone - including those that literally hate the way you live. Hippies actually stuck it to the "man". This lot stick it to the majority of people in order to look good, whilst not being any good in reality. Typical middle class children of socialists and hippies. Would have been described previously as champagne socialists, largely. But that term seems to have disappeared with New Labour. Maybe this resonates with some.

 

[cryrst]

Nah, this early on in the government cycle? By the time the election comes round, the winter fuel thing will be forgotten by those who oppose it, but remembered by those who saw no issue in taking an unearned benefit away from folk with a higher disposable income than them.

I understand why the Tories oppose as they depend on the grey vote for their very existence. And the 50-odd prospective Labour rebels are probably thinking the same way with small majorities etc. However, the question is that union woman? She knows all that tosh about freezing poor old people to death is absolute cobblers. So what is she gaining from saying it?

What if reform nab a few more seats from labour and their MPs lose their seats though ?