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Tommy Robinson

The consequences are they more people will be wound up tomorrow and the risk of trouble just escalated. All whilst Robinson sits it out. Which was the plan. My understanding is that he got the nick and subsequent remand based on refusing to disclose a pin number to the police for a phone. This is basic 101 stuff in how to make sure you get to sit out s*** you have orchestrated. Tomorrow is a huge trap. If you know anybody planning ongoing please try to disuade them. I fully understand their anger. I fully understand why they want to do something. But they are being played. Robinson is not our friend.
Though I pretty much agree with the message there is no way I stand with a bloke who takes himself seriously while calling himself after a 1970's football hooligan rather than his own name .He is a useful idiot of the establishment that does more harm than good to right wing causes .He most certainly is not our friend

Q How do you ruin a right wing march protesting against left wing government and illegal immigration ,how do you keep thousands of right wing protesters away from marches and how do you ensure those marches end up being talked about as how many arrests were made rather than why they were taking place in the first place ?

A Invite Tommy Robinson
 
Though I pretty much agree with the message there is no way I stand with a bloke who takes himself seriously while calling himself after a 1970's football hooligan rather than his own name .He is a useful idiot of the establishment that does more harm than good to right wing causes .He most certainly is not our friend

Q How do you ruin a right wing march protesting against left wing government and illegal immigration ,how do you keep thousands of right wing protesters away from marches and how do you ensure those marches end up being talked about as how many arrests were made rather than why they were taking place in the first place ?

A Invite Tommy Robinson
yes, you do make a good point. The Soc-Lib Tyranny, that now runs The West, is mindful of any Conservative Right wing opposition. And expecting the same to emerge. What they then like to do is to spoil it by having a grotesque figurehead like TR.

TR will never be much more than a rabble rouser, a thug, and a focus for all thats wrong with the nation. The Elites will be happy for him to exist. Meanwhile those Elites have a firm control on the Media, the Cops, the Courts, the Money, the Education system, the Borders, the Parliament, .....everything.

Orwells 1984......Goldstein....the lightening conductor to safely manage all opposition.
 
Though I pretty much agree with the message there is no way I stand with a bloke who takes himself seriously while calling himself after a 1970's football hooligan rather than his own name .He is a useful idiot of the establishment that does more harm than good to right wing causes .He most certainly is not our friend

Q How do you ruin a right wing march protesting against left wing government and illegal immigration ,how do you keep thousands of right wing protesters away from marches and how do you ensure those marches end up being talked about as how many arrests were made rather than why they were taking place in the first place ?

A Invite Tommy Robinson
Agreed. I don't like the man but I would not be surprised if he is being egged on by the security services.

At the bottom of my road is a nightclub, since I was a kid it has always been trouble the police are happy to keep it open because they know where the trouble is on a Saturday night.

I kinda think the same about TR they know all about him, he is a useful idiot and a lightening road. I doubt the security services have to work too hard to know what the right are up to although I doubt Tommy is even aware he is being manipulated.

You only have to look at all the undercover stories from the seventies and eighties on the mainland and in NI to see how the police and security forces infiltrate and manipulate not just terrorists but any group they don't like.
 
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I would agree with you on the rejection of Churchill criticisms from the left. However, while I don't know about 'evil and nasty', I certainly agree with the criticisms of Churchill from the right. Perhaps not as far as some of them go but the gist of the criticism carries weight in my view.

Pat Buchanan....adviser to Nixon, Ford and Reagan certainly changed my view along with others. Much like Powell he was warning about the society we have now decades before, back when others were saying, 'lt'll never happen'.

My view of the wisdom of Churchill's actions changed once I read his book. Amazon.co.uk (though not at that price) I say do what I did and read the book, if you still feel the same way then fair enough.

Five years ago I would have agreed with you. However, that was because....I was raised to view Churchill as the saviour of the nation.

Churchill didn't want to lose the empire and in my view he didn't want to open the door to the subversives.....and as he was a Victorian I think he would be horrified to see what has happened.

But nevertheless the facts have to be faced.

That war was the major root from which the traitorous branches grew to undermine and with the passing of the generational reins destroy what was Britain and remake it into the elitist driven, confused, self loathing caricature you see today.
It’s available on eBay. At 544 pages long I’ll have to commit the time to it as I don’t like taking ages over a book.

I’m intrigued as to the alternatives.

Stay neutral like Switzerland and Spain?

Stand back as Nazi Germany took over not only the Sudetenland but most of Europe, probably including Britain.

Stay in that situation until a longer war of Germany and Japan vs USA starts.

I can see how WWII was the root that set us on the current path today, but what I don’t see is much of alternative to stopping being taken over by Nazi Germany.
 
The lack of a right wing in the universities is mentioned and here you are waffling about sodding Hitler. I mention something Powell said, and immediately it's 'race war' and now it's Hitler?

You are sounding like Kamala Harris's speech writer.

Powell by the way was not pro Hitler, far from it. But obviously in your head it's nationalism equals Hitler....which if you don't mind is an extremely wrong point of view.....and that Israel itself is probably amongst the most nationalistic countries out there, which...whether you agree or disagree, the west can't fall over itself quick enough to help.
'Waffling on'. Hmm

Ok, The story about taking my dad's ashes to Poland was really to pint out how important repressive regimes think it is o remove any possible dissent, hence the slaughter of 'intellectuals. I mentioned the German regime but it could be any regime, equally the Soviet, as was, or even Russia today.

The comment about Powell in reference to your direct reference to 'The whip hand' was drawing attention, really, to the original timbre in his 'rivers of blood' speech. My point is to highlight how many people couch the immigration issue within the realms of violence. 'The Whip hand' is just such a statement, coming from the standpoint that we have the 'whip hand' and intend to keep it. This language is divisive, intimidating and based upon dominance and subjugation. There is another way of discussing the issue.

There seems to be a supposition that my Polish tale infers that I am of Jewish descent. No. I was raised a Roman Catholic, my father fought and was nearly killed at Falaise gap in Normandy. His brothers fought for the Nazis. Such is war.

So I have no axe to grind on behalf of the Israeli government, who find themselves in the grip of a right wing government doing what it thinks is 'strong' . A difficult position being orchestrated not only by its extreme settlement 'lebensraum' policies but also the nefarious Islamic religious government, just as right-wing and extreme as its opponents. Both painted with the same brush. Israel's actions are stirrung up generations of ahet against them. It will by no means be a short'war'.

I am disturbed that it seems the Israeli government knew, in advance, of an upcoming Hanmas attack but chose not to act at the time. Hmmmm. western governments, press are virtually silent on that in our propaganda war..
 
'Waffling on'. Hmm

Ok, The story about taking my dad's ashes to Poland was really to pint out how important repressive regimes think it is o remove any possible dissent, hence the slaughter of 'intellectuals. I mentioned the German regime but it could be any regime, equally the Soviet, as was, or even Russia today.

The comment about Powell in reference to your direct reference to 'The whip hand' was drawing attention, really, to the original timbre in his 'rivers of blood' speech. My point is to highlight how many people couch the immigration issue within the realms of violence. 'The Whip hand' is just such a statement, coming from the standpoint that we have the 'whip hand' and intend to keep it. This language is divisive, intimidating and based upon dominance and subjugation. There is another way of discussing the issue.

There seems to be a supposition that my Polish tale infers that I am of Jewish descent. No. I was raised a Roman Catholic, my father fought and was nearly killed at Falaise gap in Normandy. His brothers fought for the Nazis. Such is war.

So I have no axe to grind on behalf of the Israeli government, who find themselves in the grip of a right wing government doing what it thinks is 'strong' . A difficult position being orchestrated not only by its extreme settlement 'lebensraum' policies but also the nefarious Islamic religious government, just as right-wing and extreme as its opponents. Both painted with the same brush. Israel's actions are stirrung up generations of ahet against them. It will by no means be a short'war'.

I am disturbed that it seems the Israeli government knew, in advance, of an upcoming Hanmas attack but chose not to act at the time. Hmmmm. western governments, press are virtually silent on that in our propaganda war..
You can indulge in these intellectual or moral dilemma discussions all you like, but the fact is that sometimes you have to pick a side. Ideally the side that represents your best interests.
You can be sure that while some are deliberating and hand wringing, others will be plotting ways to take what you have and seek dominance.

Right now, the government and most of the media seem to be in league with the enemies of Britain and Britishness.

Whose side are you on?
 
'Waffling on'. Hmm

Ok, The story about taking my dad's ashes to Poland was really to pint out how important repressive regimes think it is o remove any possible dissent, hence the slaughter of 'intellectuals. I mentioned the German regime but it could be any regime, equally the Soviet, as was, or even Russia today.

The comment about Powell in reference to your direct reference to 'The whip hand' was drawing attention, really, to the original timbre in his 'rivers of blood' speech. My point is to highlight how many people couch the immigration issue within the realms of violence. 'The Whip hand' is just such a statement, coming from the standpoint that we have the 'whip hand' and intend to keep it. This language is divisive, intimidating and based upon dominance and subjugation. There is another way of discussing the issue.

There seems to be a supposition that my Polish tale infers that I am of Jewish descent. No. I was raised a Roman Catholic, my father fought and was nearly killed at Falaise gap in Normandy. His brothers fought for the Nazis. Such is war.

So I have no axe to grind on behalf of the Israeli government, who find themselves in the grip of a right wing government doing what it thinks is 'strong' . A difficult position being orchestrated not only by its extreme settlement 'lebensraum' policies but also the nefarious Islamic religious government, just as right-wing and extreme as its opponents. Both painted with the same brush. Israel's actions are stirrung up generations of ahet against them. It will by no means be a short'war'.

I am disturbed that it seems the Israeli government knew, in advance, of an upcoming Hanmas attack but chose not to act at the time. Hmmmm. western governments, press are virtually silent on that in our propaganda war..

Your post is well written but you deserve criticism for raising the spectre of Hitler due to a Powell comment.

You only dedicate part of your post to it but in my view a defence of it doesn't hold water if only for the obvious reason of Powell's history fighting in WW2 and his view of Hitler. It's quite wrong to connect him to Hitler and thus produce this scare tactic. I also think you ignore the reality of your own commentary when you use words like 'divisive and intimidating'. In fact I find it incredibly ironic that you use them when the negative implications on lowering social trust with mass immigration are well researched and known.

If you are also suggesting that Powell or a mention of his words suggests in anyway undemocratic or violent means would inform that you don't actually know much about him at all. He was a parliamentarian and elite first and foremost. His whole purpose was to convince the elites that they had chosen the wrong path, something I fully agree with him on but he failed with. Powell funeral was full of elite of the day as he was part of that class.

So it's important that this is stated as it's quite wrong to give this impression that right wing commentary on immigration is connected to violence. The same could be said of left wing commentary on it.....Like enabling a house invasion and then complaining that a defence of the house is extremism.

National Socialism was very of its time and place. It was an extreme example made of extreme circumstances.
 
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Your post is well written but you deserve criticism for raising the spectre of Hitler due to a Powell comment.

You only dedicate part of your post to it but in my view a defence of it doesn't hold water if only for the obvious reason of Powell's history fighting in WW2 and his view of Hitler. It's quite wrong to connect him to Hitler and thus produce this scare tactic. I also think you ignore the reality of your own commentary when you use words like 'divisive and intimidating'. In fact I find it incredibly ironic that you use them when the negative implications on lowering social trust with mass immigration are well researched and known.

If you are also suggesting that Powell or a mention of his words suggests in anyway undemocratic or violent means would inform that you don't actually know much about him at all. He was a parliamentarian and elite first and foremost. His whole purpose was to convince the elites that they had chosen the wrong path, something I fully agree with him on but he failed with. Powell funeral was full of elite of the day as he was part of that class.

So it's important that this is stated as it's quite wrong to give this impression that right wing commentary on immigration is connected to violence. The same could be said of left wing commentary on it.....Like enabling a house invasion and then complaining about the reaction.

National Socialism was very of its time and place. It was an extreme example made of extreme circumstances.
Or complaining about law abiding young black men being executed by the police.
 
'Waffling on'. Hmm

Ok, The story about taking my dad's ashes to Poland was really to pint out how important repressive regimes think it is o remove any possible dissent, hence the slaughter of 'intellectuals. I mentioned the German regime but it could be any regime, equally the Soviet, as was, or even Russia today.

The comment about Powell in reference to your direct reference to 'The whip hand' was drawing attention, really, to the original timbre in his 'rivers of blood' speech. My point is to highlight how many people couch the immigration issue within the realms of violence. 'The Whip hand' is just such a statement, coming from the standpoint that we have the 'whip hand' and intend to keep it. This language is divisive, intimidating and based upon dominance and subjugation. There is another way of discussing the issue.

There seems to be a supposition that my Polish tale infers that I am of Jewish descent. No. I was raised a Roman Catholic, my father fought and was nearly killed at Falaise gap in Normandy. His brothers fought for the Nazis. Such is war.

So I have no axe to grind on behalf of the Israeli government, who find themselves in the grip of a right wing government doing what it thinks is 'strong' . A difficult position being orchestrated not only by its extreme settlement 'lebensraum' policies but also the nefarious Islamic religious government, just as right-wing and extreme as its opponents. Both painted with the same brush. Israel's actions are stirrung up generations of ahet against them. It will by no means be a short'war'.

I am disturbed that it seems the Israeli government knew, in advance, of an upcoming Hanmas attack but chose not to act at the time. Hmmmm. western governments, press are virtually silent on that in our propaganda war..
The border is massive and I’m sure they had stronger points but couldn’t do it for the whole length.
 
It’s available on eBay. At 544 pages long I’ll have to commit the time to it as I don’t like taking ages over a book.

I’m intrigued as to the alternatives.

Stay neutral like Switzerland and Spain?

Stand back as Nazi Germany took over not only the Sudetenland but most of Europe, probably including Britain.

Stay in that situation until a longer war of Germany and Japan vs USA starts.

I can see how WWII was the root that set us on the current path today, but what I don’t see is much of alternative to stopping being taken over by Nazi Germany.

All this analysis is valid.

The counterfactuals are worth examination.

I would be interested in your view once you've read his arguments.

My own position acknowledges that it is built upon a mixture of examination but with the benefit of hindsight.

However, my view was indeed changed....if not to the 'all or nothing' extent of some others with this position.
 
He is right. Tommy Robinson has his uses…

Tommy Robinson is given no right of reply to all the media demonisation of him.

There's a reason for that, they are scared of him and what he would say because there is truth in it.....just as there was truth in that video clip....The lefty walking away was perfect as it mirrors their walk away from accountability on it all.

Robinson gets called this and he gets called that.....At least Farage gets a limited say in addressing all that. Robinson gets nothing.

In my view there is a lot of abuse of power when it comes to Robinson and to a more limited extent Farage. They are both treated as enemies of the state.

So while I have my own criticisms of Robinson, it at least comes from a direct knowledge of his positions. I find that people often fall for the one way reporting and call him out rather than the carefully curated messaging they get on Robinson.....messaging that is allowed no answer.

Also I'll make the point that if most people had been subjected to the massive monitoring and investigations that Robinson has been there would be a need to double our prisons.
 
Tommy Robinson is given no right of reply to all the media demonisation of him.

There's a reason for that, they are scared of him and what he would say because there is truth in it.....just as there was truth in that video clip....The lefty walking away was perfect as it mirrors their walk away from accountability on it all.

Robinson gets called this and he gets called that.....At least Farage gets a limited say in addressing all that. Robinson gets nothing.

In my view there is a lot of abuse of power when it comes to Robinson and to a more limited extent Farage. They are both treated as enemies of the state.

So while I have my own criticisms of Robinson, it at least comes from a direct knowledge of his positions. I find that people often fall for the one way reporting and call him out rather than the carefully curated messaging they get on Robinson.....messaging that is allowed no answer.

Also I'll make the point that if most people had been subjected to the massive monitoring and investigations that Robinson has been there would be a need to double our prisons.
Remember the audience tv show where Farage talked about HIV AIDS tourism for NHS treatment in the UK. Angela Rayner started shouting and screaming racist scum or something. There have been statistics recently released proving his point.
 
Remember the audience tv show where Farage talked about HIV AIDS tourism for NHS treatment in the UK. Angela Rayner started shouting and screaming racist scum or something. There have been statistics recently released proving his point.

well, that is the level of erudite dialogue we have grown to expect from The Left. Poets & diplomats all.
 
Your post is well written but you deserve criticism for raising the spectre of Hitler due to a Powell comment.

You only dedicate part of your post to it but in my view a defence of it doesn't hold water if only for the obvious reason of Powell's history fighting in WW2 and his view of Hitler. It's quite wrong to connect him to Hitler and thus produce this scare tactic. I also think you ignore the reality of your own commentary when you use words like 'divisive and intimidating'. In fact I find it incredibly ironic that you use them when the negative implications on lowering social trust with mass immigration are well researched and known.

If you are also suggesting that Powell or a mention of his words suggests in anyway undemocratic or violent means would inform that you don't actually know much about him at all. He was a parliamentarian and elite first and foremost. His whole purpose was to convince the elites that they had chosen the wrong path, something I fully agree with him on but he failed with. Powell funeral was full of elite of the day as he was part of that class.

So it's important that this is stated as it's quite wrong to give this impression that right wing commentary on immigration is connected to violence. The same could be said of left wing commentary on it.....Like enabling a house invasion and then complaining that a defence of the house is extremism.

National Socialism was very of its time and place. It was an extreme example made of extreme circumstances.
I think that you are wrong. It is clearly the case. St Yaxley-Lennon knows full well that the bully boys are there when needed just so long as he can seen to be publicly 'democratic' and lawful. This is always implied. The recent Southport (et al) violence may well have contained those who saw themselves as non violent and just ordinary citizens exercising their right of protest but you can be absolutely sure, no matter how many on here try to deny it, that there were those who were, and are, intent upon not just violence but unrest and even civil war to in pursuance of their wishes.

Not to drift too far from our shores, St Trump knew what he was doing when he told his supporters to "stand down" during the George Floyd disturbances. That is a military order, as well he knew and by uttering those words, he was assuming the role of commanding officer. Ergo, tinged by violence.

To deny the subject of violence is just not correct. You are in denial if you assert that.

About universities, this is a battleground being played out in the USA and right wing money feels compelled to export it here. The mantra is that they shouldn't be allowed to brainwash our undergraduates with left-wing dogma. We want to brainwash them with right-wing views instead. Whereas, the truth is that undergraduates are not brainwashed. They're old enough and intelligent enough to make up their own mind.

The trouble for the right is that they feel it is important to 'youthelise' their support. Right-wing views are very connected to the older generation, like a lot of those on here lol.. They'll be dying soon so it's best to get more young people on board as your future voters.
 
I think that you are wrong. It is clearly the case. St Yaxley-Lennon knows full well that the bully boys are there when needed just so long as he can seen to be publicly 'democratic' and lawful. This is always implied. The recent Southport (et al) violence may well have contained those who saw themselves as non violent and just ordinary citizens exercising their right of protest but you can be absolutely sure, no matter how many on here try to deny it, that there were those who were, and are, intent upon not just violence but unrest and even civil war to in pursuance of their wishes.

Not to drift too far from our shores, St Trump knew what he was doing when he told his supporters to "stand down" during the George Floyd disturbances. That is a military order, as well he knew and by uttering those words, he was assuming the role of commanding officer. Ergo, tinged by violence.

To deny the subject of violence is just not correct. You are in denial if you assert that.

About universities, this is a battleground being played out in the USA and right wing money feels compelled to export it here. The mantra is that they shouldn't be allowed to brainwash our undergraduates with left-wing dogma. We want to brainwash them with right-wing views instead. Whereas, the truth is that undergraduates are not brainwashed. They're old enough and intelligent enough to make up their own mind.

The trouble for the right is that they feel it is important to 'youthelise' their support. Right-wing views are very connected to the older generation, like a lot of those on here lol.. They'll be dying soon so it's best to get more young people on board as your future voters.
Obviously, not a Palace fan, posting on different threads whilst the match is on.
 
Tommy Robinson is given no right of reply to all the media demonisation of him.

There's a reason for that, they are scared of him and what he would say because there is truth in it.....just as there was truth in that video clip....The lefty walking away was perfect as it mirrors their walk away from accountability on it all.

Robinson gets called this and he gets called that.....At least Farage gets a limited say in addressing all that. Robinson gets nothing.

In my view there is a lot of abuse of power when it comes to Robinson and to a more limited extent Farage. They are both treated as enemies of the state.

So while I have my own criticisms of Robinson, it at least comes from a direct knowledge of his positions. I find that people often fall for the one way reporting and call him out rather than the carefully curated messaging they get on Robinson.....messaging that is allowed no answer.

Also I'll make the point that if most people had been subjected to the massive monitoring and investigations that Robinson has been there would be a need to double our prisons.
Yaxley Lennon is a grifter and to be fair very good at it.

He seems to have a fairly decent standard of living outside the UK and supports a family in the UK all from 'journalism.'

He seems to constantly be running fundraisers to pay for this that and the next thing and people seem happy to pay up.in droves.

Politically I find him fascinating as he clearly has a role in.politics and command huge support but would never fit within our mainstream parliamentary system and his message unites seemingly disperate groups.

Does he have a future?.Probably in the short term but then one day will people simply decide that this is a case of the Emperor's New Clothes?
 
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I think that you are wrong. It is clearly the case. St Yaxley-Lennon knows full well that the bully boys are there when needed just so long as he can seen to be publicly 'democratic' and lawful. This is always implied. The recent Southport (et al) violence may well have contained those who saw themselves as non violent and just ordinary citizens exercising their right of protest but you can be absolutely sure, no matter how many on here try to deny it, that there were those who were, and are, intent upon not just violence but unrest and even civil war to in pursuance of their wishes.

Not to drift too far from our shores, St Trump knew what he was doing when he told his supporters to "stand down" during the George Floyd disturbances. That is a military order, as well he knew and by uttering those words, he was assuming the role of commanding officer. Ergo, tinged by violence.

To deny the subject of violence is just not correct. You are in denial if you assert that.

About universities, this is a battleground being played out in the USA and right wing money feels compelled to export it here. The mantra is that they shouldn't be allowed to brainwash our undergraduates with left-wing dogma. We want to brainwash them with right-wing views instead. Whereas, the truth is that undergraduates are not brainwashed. They're old enough and intelligent enough to make up their own mind.

The trouble for the right is that they feel it is important to 'youthelise' their support. Right-wing views are very connected to the older generation, like a lot of those on here lol.. They'll be dying soon so it's best to get more young people on board as your future voters.

While you make lots of interesting points hardly any of it....well none of it deals with the main point I was making on Powell and you going off into the deep end....which again I think keys into this unwillingness to take accountability.

Nevertheless I will respond to your post more properly when I get a bit more time.
 
I think that you are wrong. It is clearly the case. St Yaxley-Lennon knows full well that the bully boys are there when needed just so long as he can seen to be publicly 'democratic' and lawful. This is always implied. The recent Southport (et al) violence may well have contained those who saw themselves as non violent and just ordinary citizens exercising their right of protest but you can be absolutely sure, no matter how many on here try to deny it, that there were those who were, and are, intent upon not just violence but unrest and even civil war to in pursuance of their wishes.

Not to drift too far from our shores, St Trump knew what he was doing when he told his supporters to "stand down" during the George Floyd disturbances. That is a military order, as well he knew and by uttering those words, he was assuming the role of commanding officer. Ergo, tinged by violence.

To deny the subject of violence is just not correct. You are in denial if you assert that.

About universities, this is a battleground being played out in the USA and right wing money feels compelled to export it here. The mantra is that they shouldn't be allowed to brainwash our undergraduates with left-wing dogma. We want to brainwash them with right-wing views instead. Whereas, the truth is that undergraduates are not brainwashed. They're old enough and intelligent enough to make up their own mind.

The trouble for the right is that they feel it is important to 'youthelise' their support. Right-wing views are very connected to the older generation, like a lot of those on here lol.. They'll be dying soon so it's best to get more young people on board as your future voters.
An extraordinary claim. You’re confusing the very few intelligent students these days with the rest.


Young people in Europe are moving over to right and far right parties like AFD in Germany.
 
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