Time to start doing Business Steve..!!

[Rudi Hedman]

The more this goes on the more I agree with those who say the window should close before the start of the season. If you can’t sort your business prior to that, then tough, wait until January.

I don’t even look forward to the start of the season now. Our way of getting value is to trade late on in the window. The first 2 weeks of the season aren’t very enjoyable.

 

[Jim_Cannon]

There's an awful lot we don't know. The economics of running a football club are far, far more complex than most people realise. The way some people talk, you'd think that Parish is deliberately dragging his heels and keeping his fingers crossed that it'll all work out in the end but he's transformed the club from the financial basket case it was under previous owners into a well run, properly functioning and respected club. I have absolutely no doubt that the interests of the club are always his primary consideration and that's why he's not going to play fast and loose with the finances. I have no idea what the arrangement is with Harris, Blitzer and Johnson and I don't understand why an arrangement exists where shareholders with a significantly larger financial stake than Parish can be trumped in terms of voting rights but it's clear that these guys implicitly trust Parish to run the club properly. I don't think anyone outside their circle understands, either.

What I'm saying is, Parish is no mug. In his time, he's delivered promotion, reunited club with ground, turned us into a steady Premier League side and now the first major trophy in the club's history. This is, quite simply, the most successful period in the club's entire history. In other words, I completely trust his judgement. There is clearly a valid reason for the sluggish activity in the transfer market that neither I or anyone else is aware of and I really wish folks would step back and actually think before whining and bleating about how we haven't signed anyone, without even thinking about why that may be.

If we don't expand/improve the squad in this window, I will naturally be disappointed (like everyone else) but I'm certainly not going to go off on one and accuse Parish of being 'penny pinching', 'stingy' or any other bollocks. It's a cliche, I know, but this really isn't a game of Football Manager.

Agree with you. I have though 2 criticisms of SP. One the delay in the ground development, part of which I am told by a reliable source was SP not listening to the guidance from engineers and contractors on something he hasnt got the experience himself of.

The second is he probably has too much on his plate once freedman left. I know Moody and others have picked up some of the work however looks like SP has spread himself thinly and therefore some aspects will suffer.

Overall though been the best chairman/owner in my lifetime and probably ever at palace and his achievements are outstanding

 

[NEILLO]

If we sell Ebs now, we get top £ for him as opposed to next summer when he will then be in Guehi’s current situation in terms of contract.

It looks like he’s going nowhere until a replacement is in place.

Guehi and Liverpool is starting to look less likely. If he stays he may well leave on a free next year but Palace would have had another year out of him and it avoids having to bed in a replacement as we had to last year.

Despite the media dirt digging, I don’t believe there’s an issue with him and Glasner, and Glasners preference is for Guehi to stay.

We also have no idea what the financial landscape will look like in a year’s time. Hopefully good enough that Guehi’s staying has minimal impact. And that’s bearing in mind that we could cash in in a big way if Wharton was to move on

 

[Plaistow Eagle]

It’s just not that simple is it? Other teams aren’t us! Many have owners with unlimited resources that can fund temporary overspends or pick up the fines given to them for breaking the rules. We don’t. We cannot fund incoming transfers unless and until we have agreed sales. Sales of our two most important players who most still hope won’t go. No other team than us has had the uncertainty of which European competition we must prepare for which also has brought uncertainty into the minds of those players who might leave us.

Our club is well run by someone who is like us. A fan. We have a sustainable model with a modern academy, have been in the PL without a break for the longest time in our history and won the FA cup and Community Shield in short order beating the two best teams in England in doing so.

Compared to what existed at Selhurst when I first watched Palace in the 3rd Division South 70 years ago there is nothing to moan about. We have progressed and can still go further.

Mate - what fines are you going on about - as I mentioned before we are nowhere near breaching PSR.

The whole Europe thing as others have said has no bearing on available transfer funds - difference in revenue is marginal compared to current transfer costs/dealings.

Why are we waiting for players to leave before we do any deals - if we do that other teams will know we are desperate and just push the price up..!!

Based upon this window - the club is not well run and the model is not sustainable - we’ve gone backwards and are now in a race against time to get us back up to parity - at best - even then we’re probably going to have to pay well over the odds - because we’ve left our business too late again..!!

Get the nostalgia - I was born down Holmesdale Road, my first game we were in the old 3rd Division Rachid Harkouk and George Graham - team of the 80’s just emerging under Venables..!!

But we are no longer that team/club and we’ve got to get rid of that small team mentality..!!

COYP

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Mate - what fines are you going on about - as I mentioned before we are nowhere near breaching PSR.

The whole Europe thing as others have said has no bearing on available transfer funds - difference in revenue is marginal compared to current transfer costs/dealings.

Why are we waiting for players to leave before we do any deals - if we do that other teams will know we are desperate and just push the price up..!!

Based upon this window - the club is not well run and the model is not sustainable - we’ve gone backwards and are now in a race against time to get us back up to parity - at best - even then we’re probably going to have to pay well over the odds - because we’ve left our business too late again..!!

Get the nostalgia - I was born down Holmesdale Road, my first game we were in the old 3rd Division Rachid Harkouk and George Graham - team of the 80’s just emerging under Venables..!!

But we are no longer that team/club and we’ve got to get rid of that small team mentality..!!

COYP

Where’s your figures and workings? And last I heard we were losing a lot of millions every year. We’ve reduced the wage bill but nowhere near the amount we were losing. Just interested what calculations you have…

 

[Plaistow Eagle]

Has the possibility not occurred to you that Palace genuinely are strapped for cash during this window because an outgoing owner wanted certain loans repaid pronto as part of his exit? I'm not saying that IS the case only that it wouldn't surprise me if it were so. I'm prepared to give Parish the benefit of the doubt when he says the club has heavy outgoings this financial year, which is making it difficult to do the business the club wants.

No it hasn’t occurred to me that the club would have to repay liabilities and loans back to Textor as I would have thought that would have all been covered by the fee to purchase his shareholding..!!

Are you suggesting multi billionaire Woody Johnson would invest £190M - whilst insisting additional liabilities and loans owed to Textor are paid out of club available funds meaning that the club were unable to progress for the foreseeable future..!!

That would seem a bit odd wouldn’t it - a multi Billionaire on one hand investing £190M with the other taking away any opportunity to build on that investment and the momentum we have established.

Let me think about that for a nano second..!!

So again in answer to your question - no I have not considered that the club would have to repay loans and liabilities owed to Textor outside Johnson’s investment.

COYP

 

[thegreatlardino]

I agree with some of this, trouble is we will always be a small club when compared to the other 3 bigger teams in London.
Also how can we compete with teams like Forest who have spent in excess of 100 million and are a similar type of club as us?

 

[park the bus]

I agree with some of this, trouble is we will always be a small club when compared to the other 3 bigger teams in London.
Also how can we compete with teams like Forest who have spent in excess of 100 million and are a similar type of club as us?

How? By having a top notch scouting outfit, identifying quality under the radar players. Then you employ a manager with his own idea of how the game is played, and then you go out and compete. And that is what we did last season! Forest didn't win s***, so it's not all about money, a lot of clubs spend fortunes but go nowhere. We're on the right track.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

How? By having a top notch scouting outfit, identifying quality under the radar players. Then you employ a manager with his own idea of how the game is played, and then you go out and compete. And that is what we did last season! Forest didn't win s***, so it's not all about money, a lot of clubs spend fortunes but go nowhere. We're on the right track.

In a word Moneyball. We can't afford stars so we have to recreate their effect in the aggregate by signing players neglected by other clubs whose stats stack up and who have the right attitude.

 

[Glazier#1]

This guy signed a new 4 year contract last month, there's no chance in hell he's coming to us, or anybody else!

Very often new contracts are signed simply in order to up the transfer fee of a player when he leaves the club, rather than that player being committed to the full term of the contract, surely.

No?

 

[Plaistow Eagle]

Where’s your figures and workings? And last I heard we were losing a lot of millions every year. We’ve reduced the wage bill but nowhere near the amount we were losing. Just interested what calculations you have…

We are in the “green zone” Mate..!!

Crystal Palace​

Loss limit: £90m | Status: Clean

• With £65.3m in losses over the past two years but substantial allowable cost deductions, Palace are well within bounds. They’ve also generated £38.7m from sales (Olise, Andersen, Johnstone) post-June 2024. No reason for concern here.
• Good balance between income and cost control.

 

[ambrose7]

Few journos now reporting that El Khannouss' relegation clause has expired so instead of £22m Leicester now want £30m!

So, if we do being in El Khannouss, it'll cost us £8m more which is ironically how much below Eze's release clause Spurs are offering.

Meanwhile Tzolis at Brugge has extended his contract and they've sold other players (2 to Brighton and Sunderland) so they've shut up shop. First rumours today of Palace looking at Hwang-Hee Chang on a loan which as cover... fine but he is not a replacement.

It's Christmas Eve and we're hoping the petrol station has a turkey.

 

[ASCPFC]

Few journos now reporting that El Khannouss' relegation clause has expired so instead of £22m Leicester now want £30m!

So, if we do being in El Khannouss, it'll cost us £8m more which is ironically how much below Eze's release clause Spurs are offering.

Meanwhile Tzolis at Brugge has extended his contract and they've sold other players (2 to Brighton and Sunderland) so they've shut up shop. First rumours today of Palace looking at Hwang-Hee Chang on a loan which as cover... fine but he is not a replacement.

It's Christmas Eve and we're hoping the petrol station has a turkey.

We won't pay 30 for him. What we'll probably do is a load of add ons and clauses. Like 2.5 million if we qualify for Europe. 2 mil if he plays 40 games. Then some installments. In fact, that's how we do a lot of our transfers. We don't usually pay anymore than about 10mil up front. Even that would be rare enough.
It probably explains a lot of knock backs - however, when you look at current financial rules, presumably a lot of transfers are like that.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Few journos now reporting that El Khannouss' relegation clause has expired so instead of £22m Leicester now want £30m!

So, if we do being in El Khannouss, it'll cost us £8m more which is ironically how much below Eze's release clause Spurs are offering.

Meanwhile Tzolis at Brugge has extended his contract and they've sold other players (2 to Brighton and Sunderland) so they've shut up shop. First rumours today of Palace looking at Hwang-Hee Chang on a loan which as cover... fine but he is not a replacement.

It's Christmas Eve and we're hoping the petrol station has a turkey.

So it's a Ginsters pasty and a Mars bar for us.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

We are in the “green zone” Mate..!!

Crystal Palace​

Loss limit: £90m | Status: Clean

• With £65.3m in losses over the past two years but substantial allowable cost deductions, Palace are well within bounds. They’ve also generated £38.7m from sales (Olise, Andersen, Johnstone) post-June 2024. No reason for concern here.
• Good balance between income and cost control.

Yes it was £30 million we were losing every year. Confirmed by your post. Explains why to me.

 

[Plaistow Eagle]

Few journos now reporting that El Khannouss' relegation clause has expired so instead of £22m Leicester now want £30m!

So, if we do being in El Khannouss, it'll cost us £8m more which is ironically how much below Eze's release clause Spurs are offering.

Meanwhile Tzolis at Brugge has extended his contract and they've sold other players (2 to Brighton and Sunderland) so they've shut up shop. First rumours today of Palace looking at Hwang-Hee Chang on a loan which as cover... fine but he is not a replacement.

It's Christmas Eve and we're hoping the petrol station has a turkey.

This is the problem when you leave your dealings too late - you either end up paying over the odds or clubs won’t sell..!!

Hwang-Hee Chang - is awful - that’s real desperation stakes..!!

What a mess..!!

 

[subbuteo]

So it's a Ginsters pasty and a Mars bar for us.

Never liked turkey anyway. Although I do prefer rib of beef to ginsters! FWIW I trust our club. Happiest day of my life after losing the best player that will ever play for our club

 

[pssguy]

Few journos now reporting that El Khannouss' relegation clause has expired so instead of £22m Leicester now want £30m!

So, if we do being in El Khannouss, it'll cost us £8m more which is ironically how much below Eze's release clause Spurs are offering.

Meanwhile Tzolis at Brugge has extended his contract and they've sold other players (2 to Brighton and Sunderland) so they've shut up shop. First rumours today of Palace looking at Hwang-Hee Chang on a loan which as cover... fine but he is not a replacement.

It's Christmas Eve and we're hoping the petrol station has a turkey.

Wolves fans are certainly looking to get shot of him: which, in their circumstances, is a concern

 

[Plaistow Eagle]

Yes it was £30 million we were losing every year. Confirmed by your post. Explains why to me.

Guess you can twist anything round to support your own point of view..!!

But the fact we are in the green zone and the report summarising “no reason for concern” and “good balance between income and cost control” - you’ve totally chosen to ignore..!!

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Guess you can twist anything round to support your own point of view..!!

But the fact we are in the green zone and the report summarising “no reason for concern” and “good balance between income and cost control” - you’ve totally chosen to ignore..!!

Yet you’ve chosen to ignore we’ve lost £65 mil over 2 years. Either someone wears that, and they won’t. Or it’s made back somehow, and that would be via sales of players. Or doesn’t the world work like that now?