Time to start doing Business Steve..!!

[Car54]

What is it with you and the constant abuse to other posters..!!

Don’t you have anything tangible / worthwhile saying to add to the debate other than direct abuse..??

I said to you before it says more about the intellectual capacity of those that resort to abuse to others than those they are abusing..!!

I have a very short fuse with people spouting completly ridiculous statements, and you seem to be in a league of your own

 

[PatrickA]

People want signing for signings sake. They would have happy with anyone with a foreign sounding name and a £20m price tag.

They keep shouting that everyone is signing players. But (top 6 aside) who has been signed that either we'd want, or is better than the player being replaced? Literally none.

There is a pecking order (hence why Newcastle cant sign for love nor money), this European participation appeal (which you'd expect players wanting to know the outcome), the difficulty of signing depth (not all players are going to be happy to come in for 'depth') plus the usual negotiations and price bumping.

Despite what some might believe, we are in a pretty good position from a squad perspective. We'll start the game on Sunday with the same team that won the FA cup. But it also means that we:

• Dont need to pay silly money to plug gaps in the starting 11
• Dont need to get any old player in (because the better players will be holding on for, see above)

And as some of the above gets sorted, and I'm sure we'll get some back up in. And hopefully a couple of decent loans.

That is one view, but it's possible to have another reasoned view which is not advocating the spending of big money on unknowns for the sake of it.

I'm confident that our first team can more than hold it's own in the division; the evidence is there.

However, I'm cognisant that having lost Chaloboah we were able to have a virtually unbroken run of fielding the same back 3 with Lerma on occasions filling in.
We were fortunate in this regard not to encounter injuries and with the increased workload of Europe we are potentially weaker than we were in January when Chaloboah was also there.

Even if Lerna does shunt into a back 3, which he can do successfully, Hughes is susceptible to the occasional injury and suspension , and Kamada may be pushed into a more advanced role if Sarr moves into the middle in Nketiah's absence when Mateta is substituted as he tends to be in the last quarter of games .
It's all compromises at the expense of weakening rather than strenghtening the team.
You want a bench that is capable of changing a game, not just doing a job.

I recognise that the window is still open and I'm sure that we will strenghten.
I also accept that we are in a better position than we were this time last season in terms of having an organised and settled team.
But we do have to factor in our additional involvement in Europe and that the squad looks comparatively thin.
All we've done is essentially replace the departing keeper and LWB.
If it's unreasonable to expect more signings so close to the season, then I must be unreasonable.

 

[park the bus]

That is one view, but it's possible to have another reasoned view which is not advocating the spending of big money on unknowns for the sake of it.

I'm confident that our first team can more than hold it's own in the division; the evidence is there.

However, I'm cognisant that having lost Chaloboah we were able to have a virtually unbroken run of fielding the same back 3 with Lerma on occasions filling in.
We were fortunate in this regard not to encounter injuries and with the increased workload of Europe we are potentially weaker than we were in January when Chaloboah was also there.

Even if Lerna does shunt into a back 3, which he can do successfully, Hughes is susceptible to the occasional injury and suspension , and Kamada may be pushed into a more advanced role if Sarr moves into the middle in Nketiah's absence when Mateta is substituted as he tends to be in the last quarter of games .
It's all compromises at the expense of weakening rather than strenghtening the team.
You want a bench that is capable of changing a game, not just doing a job.

I recognise that the window is still open and I'm sure that we will strenghten.
I also accept that we are in a better position than we were this time last season in terms of having an organised and settled team.
But we do have to factor in our additional involvement in Europe and that the squad looks comparatively thin.
All we've done is essentially replace the departing keeper and LWB.
If it's unreasonable to expect more signings so close to the season, then I must be unreasonable.

You have missed the most cunning of cunning plans, the return of the prodigal son Edouard, once banished to the hinterland but now reinstated to wreak havoc on unsuspecting Premiership defences. So it is written and so it will be!

 

[PatrickA]

You have missed the most cunning of cunning plans, the return of the prodigal son Edouard, once banished to the hinterland but now reinstated to wreak havoc on unsuspecting Premiership defences. So it is written and so it will be!

Don't get me started....

 

[NEILLO]

That is one view, but it's possible to have another reasoned view which is not advocating the spending of big money on unknowns for the sake of it.

I'm confident that our first team can more than hold it's own in the division; the evidence is there.

However, I'm cognisant that having lost Chaloboah we were able to have a virtually unbroken run of fielding the same back 3 with Lerma on occasions filling in.
We were fortunate in this regard not to encounter injuries and with the increased workload of Europe we are potentially weaker than we were in January when Chaloboah was also there.

Even if Lerna does shunt into a back 3, which he can do successfully, Hughes is susceptible to the occasional injury and suspension , and Kamada may be pushed into a more advanced role if Sarr moves into the middle in Nketiah's absence when Mateta is substituted as he tends to be in the last quarter of games .
It's all compromises at the expense of weakening rather than strenghtening the team.
You want a bench that is capable of changing a game, not just doing a job.

I recognise that the window is still open and I'm sure that we will strenghten.
I also accept that we are in a better position than we were this time last season in terms of having an organised and settled team.
But we do have to factor in our additional involvement in Europe and that the squad looks comparatively thin.
All we've done is essentially replace the departing keeper and LWB.
If it's unreasonable to expect more signings so close to the season, then I must be unreasonable.

My issue with some of those on this thread is not around the need to reinforce the squad. You don't need to be Einstein to work out that the involvement in an additional competition will have an impact.

The window so far has been pretty much the standard operating model for the club. In a perfect world a manager/head coach would have a fully formed squad to work with come pre season. And I'm aware that Steve Parish made a commitment to Glasner that we would do our transfer business early this summer.

That we haven't done so I find disappointing. And as I've previously stated, a bit surprised, given that we have an ambitious manager on board.

So while acknowledging that, I have tried to understand and articulate the potential reasons why we are where we are. I'm not going to repeat them again now, but I think they are valid. And of course, just my opinion. There's an element on here that just want to take aim at Parish and can't accept that there could be mitigating circumstances. In their heads it's '' excuses ''. And yes, he's an easy target. But one thing he's not is stupid. He may be a little more risk adverse than some would like him to be ( think John Textor ) but I'm personally ok with that.

 

[MrRobbo]

That is one view, but it's possible to have another reasoned view which is not advocating the spending of big money on unknowns for the sake of it.

I'm confident that our first team can more than hold it's own in the division; the evidence is there.

However, I'm cognisant that having lost Chaloboah we were able to have a virtually unbroken run of fielding the same back 3 with Lerma on occasions filling in.
We were fortunate in this regard not to encounter injuries and with the increased workload of Europe we are potentially weaker than we were in January when Chaloboah was also there.

Even if Lerna does shunt into a back 3, which he can do successfully, Hughes is susceptible to the occasional injury and suspension , and Kamada may be pushed into a more advanced role if Sarr moves into the middle in Nketiah's absence when Mateta is substituted as he tends to be in the last quarter of games .
It's all compromises at the expense of weakening rather than strenghtening the team.
You want a bench that is capable of changing a game, not just doing a job.

I recognise that the window is still open and I'm sure that we will strenghten.
I also accept that we are in a better position than we were this time last season in terms of having an organised and settled team.
But we do have to factor in our additional involvement in Europe and that the squad looks comparatively thin.
All we've done is essentially replace the departing keeper and LWB.
If it's unreasonable to expect more signings so close to the season, then I must be unreasonable.

I dont think any of that is unreasonable. I'd agree with it all. We need a few more bodies in.

But the fact that we havent, IMO wont be due to lack of trying. Its always going to be way more complicated.

My issue is more with the general thrust of a lot of chat on here, and even the thread titles 'Crystal Palace are stagnating. Again' 'Time to start doing Business Steve..!!' . Dont 'we' all think Steve knows we need another CB.

It all is just either directly, or implying that our chairman know f'all and he is sat on his hands doing nothing. Maybe I just have more confidence/respect then deserved.

 

[Painter]

My issue with some of those on this thread is not around the need to reinforce the squad. You don't need to be Einstein to work out that the involvement in an additional competition will have an impact.

The window so far has been pretty much the standard operating model for the club. In a perfect world a manager/head coach would have a fully formed squad to work with come pre season. And I'm aware that Steve Parish made a commitment to Glasner that we would do our transfer business early this summer.

That we haven't done so I find disappointing. And as I've previously stated, a bit surprised, given that we have an ambitious manager on board.

So while acknowledging that, I have tried to understand and articulate the potential reasons why we are where we are. I'm not going to repeat them again now, but I think they are valid. And of course, just my opinion. There's an element on here that just want to take aim at Parish and can't accept that there could be mitigating circumstances. In their heads it's '' excuses ''. And yes, he's an easy target. But one thing he's not is stupid. He may be a little more risk adverse than some would like him to be ( think John Textor ) but I'm personally ok with that.

You are assuming our transfer business isnt over. We have signed a back up keeper and left back, if no first team players leave, that could be us finished in the transfer market.

 

[NEILLO]

You are assuming our transfer business isnt over. We have signed a back up keeper and left back, if no first team players leave, that could be us finished in the transfer market.

And you're assuming it is then ?!

 

[mtp1958]

You are assuming our transfer business isnt over. We have signed a back up keeper and left back, if no first team players leave, that could be us finished in the transfer market.

dont think so we will get 2 to3 minimum more this window , monday could be a big moving day for us , if CAS find in our favour then our targets are easier , but still think players will come even in the conference , plus couple of back up loans

 

[ex hibitionist]

You have missed the most cunning of cunning plans, the return of the prodigal son Edouard, once banished to the hinterland but now reinstated to wreak havoc on unsuspecting Premiership defences. So it is written and so it will be!

you never know, Glasner might do a Warnock and watch some journeyman back up player during five-a-side, have a dream about it, chat to his missus afterwards and play Natty Clyne as striker who will score a perfect hattrick a la Danny Butterfield and problems solved. Could happen.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I have come late to this thread, having not read it because the title itself seemed a ridiculous concept.

Until the CAS decision is known nobody, especially people like Eze and Guehi, know what their own decisions are going to be. If we win I think both will stay with Guehi signing an extension at increased wages with a set buy out. Maybe Eze, and others too. Any incomers depend this. If we lose and they go then we replace with first choice players and buy some back ups too. If they stay we replace with back ups capable of playing in the cups.

I expect many options have been explored and conditional arrangements agreed, so things could move quickly next week.

It’s obviously not ideal and will frustrate Glasner but he isn’t stupid. He knows how these things work.

 

[rikz]

I dont think any of that is unreasonable. I'd agree with it all. We need a few more bodies in.

But the fact that we havent, IMO wont be due to lack of trying. Its always going to be way more complicated.

My issue is more with the general thrust of a lot of chat on here, and even the thread titles 'Crystal Palace are stagnating. Again' 'Time to start doing Business Steve..!!' . Dont 'we' all think Steve knows we need another CB.

It all is just either directly, or implying that our chairman know f'all and he is sat on his hands doing nothing. Maybe I just have more confidence/respect then deserved.

Of course there's mitigating reasons, of course the club would have been trying and of course Parish knows what we need but ultimately, Parish and the club just haven't been good enough this window.

We will finish midtable regardless, the team and manager are too good to go down but we will be lucky to get a manager as good as glasner and I just dont see him sticking around just to preserve top flight football every season. We will almost certainly be favourites in the Conference, this season will only enhance Glasners reputation.

 

[NEILLO]

Of course there's mitigating reasons, of course the club would have been trying and of course Parish knows what we need but ultimately, Parish and the club just haven't been good enough this window.

We will finish midtable regardless, the team and manager are too good to go down but we will be lucky to get a manager as good as glasner and I just dont see him sticking around just to preserve top flight football every season. We will almost certainly be favourites in the Conference, this season will only enhance Glasners reputation.

I'm interested to know what you think they are....

 

[PatrickA]

Of course there's mitigating reasons, of course the club would have been trying and of course Parish knows what we need but ultimately, Parish and the club just haven't been good enough this window.

We will finish midtable regardless, the team and manager are too good to go down but we will be lucky to get a manager as good as glasner and I just dont see him sticking around just to preserve top flight football every season. We will almost certainly be favourites in the Conference, this season will only enhance Glasners reputation.

Everyone knew the position when Glasner when he joined.

At an early press conference he said if Palace are '....looking for a manager to finish mid table each season I am not that guy....'

Every utterance of his reeks of aspiration, ambition and seeking improvement.
I think this has rubbed off on the players if you look at the improved performances of some of them which I didn't think they were capable of.

He's a special manager and, recognising that, he's unlikely to be a long term appointment.
Thus it's important to make the most of him while he's around.

 

[Charlie B]

Just looking through the business that other premier league clubs have done, even the new ones. 3 million. That's all we've spent. Why am I not surprised!!

 

[Willo]

Everyone knew the position when Glasner when he joined.

At an early press conference he said if Palace are '....looking for a manager to finish mid table each season I am not that guy....'

Every utterance of his reeks of aspiration, ambition and seeking improvement.
I think this has rubbed off on the players if you look at the improved performances of some of them which I didn't think they were capable of.

He's a special manager and, recognising that, he's unlikely to be a long term appointment.
Thus it's important to make the most of him while he's around.

I am in accord on this matter.

 

[Cucking Funt]

I am in accord on this matter.

That's a relief

 

[Willo]

Just looking through the business that other premier league clubs have done, even the new ones. 3 million. That's all we've spent. Why am I not surprised!!

Burnley have signed 11 players, 4 of whom were on Loan to the club last season.
Leeds have signed 7 players.
Sunderland have signed 9 players, 1 of whom was on Loan last season.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Burnley have signed 11 players, 4 of whom were on Loan to the club last season.
Leeds have signed 7 players.
Sunderland have signed 9 players, 1 of whom was on Loan last season.

That almost guarantee's relegation, all the team spirit that got the players up, gone, ask Holloway and Fulham

 

[rikz]

I'm interested to know what you think they are....

One would have been a central defender, on the expectation that Guehi was leaving, it looks like diomande was his replacement, sporting want too much money, Guehi doesn't look likely to leave so the club has walked away, we play with a back three so CD is a position we need to strengthen, might not need a direct replacement for Guehi but we should be still looking at that position regardless.