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The Politics of 'Climate-change'

Wisbech Eagle said:
I provided the links a while ago. Provided by people we all can trust. If you don’t then there’s little point in trying to discuss anything with you. No individual has “the data”. It’s not our responsibility. It’s that of the thousands of experts who work on our behalf. They summarise it for us.

science.nasa.gov

Evidence - NASA Science

Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of
science.nasa.gov science.nasa.gov

Note the second paragraph!

www.carbonbrief.org

Analysis: Why scientists think 100% of global warming is due to humans - Carbon Brief

The science on the human contribution to modern warming is quite clear. Humans emissions and activities have caused around 100% of the warming observed.
www.carbonbrief.org www.carbonbrief.org

www.edf.org

9 ways we know humans caused climate change

Scientists have amassed an overwhelming amount of evidence that humans are the main cause of climate change. Here are 9 ways the evidence stacks up.
www.edf.org www.edf.org

Nobody “put me in my place” over Covid! What arrogant nonsense. There was a lot of ridiculous denials and wrong information being posted here that I countered and apparently still need to.

You can criticise the way energy companies continue to make money from carbon based fuels. I do too. This though is solely down to their need to satisfy stockholders. Unless we, as a global society, change than then they will continue to extract oil and gas rather than invest in renewables.

So we need to incentivise them to do so through taxation and subsidies.

You can also criticise government responses for being too short term. I do too. Especially what is currently being done in the USA.

This whole issue needs to be removed from global politics and elevated to be an existential issue facing the survival of mankind. We took some steps to recognise the need to do this but the backward steps of the idiot in the WH threaten us all.
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Same links again which I discredited because they do not show any valid argument all opinions.

Why are you continuing this you are out of your lane and are showing you do not even understand basic science.

"The current warming trend is different because it is clearly the result of human activities since the mid-1800s, and is proceeding at a rate not seen over many recent millennia.<a href="Evidence - NASA Science">1</a> It is undeniable that human activities have produced the atmospheric gases that have trapped more of the Sun’s energy in the Earth system. This extra energy has warmed the atmosphere, ocean, and land, and widespread and rapid changes in the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, and biosphere have occurred."

Clearly so were is the evidence and only mid 1800 and full breakdown is required to do a proper static report they are cherry picking dates.

The method they use which is via satellites they go on to state has only been used in 1900.

As I said before we have contributed but are not the cause its natural its backed up in that first link it even mentions about climate change throughout history and ice ages.

Second link the title alone "why it thinks" there is no think in science you prove it is and it's for others to disapprove yet again nothing.

The source from all of these is the same one IPCC.

You was never able to counter any of mine about covid and did the same thing you are now flashing up links which show nothing. (Provide 1 valid published paper which 100% shows humans are the "cause" of climate change only)

I don't care if energy providers use green or carbon no matter what they use they will still be greedy because they are allowed to be.

How would taxation and subsidies change anything they wouldn't.

I don't care about the USA (Glad I left/sold up) and am sick of the likes of UK being a puppet to them.

Man kind has far more pressing things to deal with and we will wipe each other out long before any climate issues do.
 
grumpymort said:
Same links again which I discredited because they do not show any valid argument all opinions.

Why are you continuing this you are out of your lane and are showing you do not even understand basic science.

"The current warming trend is different because it is clearly the result of human activities since the mid-1800s, and is proceeding at a rate not seen over many recent millennia.<a href="Evidence - NASA Science">1</a> It is undeniable that human activities have produced the atmospheric gases that have trapped more of the Sun’s energy in the Earth system. This extra energy has warmed the atmosphere, ocean, and land, and widespread and rapid changes in the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, and biosphere have occurred."

Clearly so were is the evidence and only mid 1800 and full breakdown is required to do a proper static report they are cherry picking dates.

The method they use which is via satellites they go on to state has only been used in 1900.

As I said before we have contributed but are not the cause its natural its backed up in that first link it even mentions about climate change throughout history and ice ages.

Second link the title alone "why it thinks" there is no think in science you prove it is and it's for others to disapprove yet again nothing.

The source from all of these is the same one IPCC.

You was never able to counter any of mine about covid and did the same thing you are now flashing up links which show nothing. (Provide 1 valid published paper which 100% shows humans are the "cause" of climate change only)

I don't care if energy providers use green or carbon no matter what they use they will still be greedy because they are allowed to be.

How would taxation and subsidies change anything they wouldn't.

I don't care about the USA (Glad I left/sold up) and am sick of the likes of UK being a puppet to them.

Man kind has far more pressing things to deal with and we will wipe each other out long before any climate issues do.
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You are beyond help. Deniers like you will just have to be ignored because this subject is far too important and urgent to waste time and effort arguing. If you want to argue with responsible and respected organisations like NASA and the IPCC then I am sure they would accommodate you, and wipe the floor with you. I would trust their analysis over a random poster on a football website all the time. Especially on something like this, and probably on football too! In the meantime we just need to get on with things.

You ask them for the evidence if you are determined not to trust them. My unshakable trust was acquired 20 years. I know this matter is real. Know it beyond a shred of a doubt.

Subsidies and taxation impact profit. If you make more from adopting clean energy strategies that’s what a commercial business will do.

Mankind has many important issues to confront but none are as important as its own survival.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
You are beyond help. Deniers like you will just have to be ignored because this subject is far too important and urgent to waste time and effort arguing. If you want to argue with responsible and respected organisations like NASA and the IPCC then I am sure they would accommodate you, and wipe the floor with you. I would trust their analysis over a random poster on a football website all the time. Especially on something like this, and probably on football too! In the meantime we just need to get on with things.

You ask them for the evidence if you are determined not to trust them. My unshakable trust was acquired 20 years. I know this matter is real. Know it beyond a shred of a doubt.

Subsidies and taxation impact profit. If you make more from adopting clean energy strategies that’s what a commercial business will do.

Mankind has many important issues to confront but none are as important as its own survival.
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So again you are about appeal to authority because you class them as genuine on everything the same thing you claimed about the WHO/NHS during covid.

Can you not read the links you provided look at the terms used they do not have evidence that humans are the "causation of climate change" the data even shows it happens naturally and have we contributed yes but not the "cause"

You really do need to learn about how science works.

Those people you mention would never front up if you asked them to sit down and do as I said provide the evidence of humans being the cause they cant do.

these people would flash up lots of different publications 0 show we are the cause going round in circles wasting time pumping out numbers this is not science if you have valid data you require only 1 valid publication.

This is the same tactic which people who don't know what they are talking about would try to use when I would discus about medical research and especially nutrition related matters mostly around "risk"

If you try to eat into a companies profits in which is a provider of essentials services what will they do raise prices so who pays for that.

What is clean energy? people like to flash this word around yet they don't understand the process required to even produce the product or build for example wind farms. (cleanest form to how you get back is nuclear)

Mankind is selfish you really believe the people at the top care what so ever about the masses no they don't.
 
grumpymort said:
So again you are about appeal to authority because you class them as genuine on everything the same thing you claimed about the WHO/NHS during covid.

Can you not read the links you provided look at the terms used they do not have evidence that humans are the "causation of climate change" the data even shows it happens naturally and have we contributed yes but not the "cause"

You really do need to learn about how science works.

Those people you mention would never front up if you asked them to sit down and do as I said provide the evidence of humans being the cause they cant do.

these people would flash up lots of different publications 0 show we are the cause going round in circles wasting time pumping out numbers this is not science if you have valid data you require only 1 valid publication.

This is the same tactic which people who don't know what they are talking about would try to use when I would discus about medical research and especially nutrition related matters mostly around "risk"

If you try to eat into a companies profits in which is a provider of essentials services what will they do raise prices so who pays for that.

What is clean energy? people like to flash this word around yet they don't understand the process required to even produce the product or build for example wind farms. (cleanest form to how you get back is nuclear)

Mankind is selfish you really believe the people at the top care what so ever about the masses no they don't.
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It’s really very simple. You believe in conspiracy theories. I don’t. I believe in evidence. If people I trust publish conclusions based on the evidence they have uncovered I believe them. I don’t expect to have to do everything myself. I am not a scientist. I am a consumer of their work, just as they were consumers of mine.

If you don’t believe they have the evidence to back up their conclusions then challenge them. Good luck because I believe you have no chance whatsoever of them not being able to provide mountains of it. Whether you understand it is though another question. I understand some. Like the ice cores that reveal the level of CO2 over recent centuries and tree rings that paint pictures of contamination. Extrapolating that data has enabled them to reveal, with total certainty, that the situation has changed dramatically since the Industrial Revolution. A change that can only be explained by that Revolution because the cycle of natural climate change is well understood as the data sets go back thousands of years. Two and two always equals four in the real world.

I may not be a scientist but on the evidence you present I understand it very much better than you do.

I worked in the food industry for most of my life, ending my career as the MD of both a well known drink producer and supplier of ingredients. I employed food scientists including nutrionists. I know a little bit about such things. What’s your experience?

Whenever a renewable source is harvested the impact of its construction, operation, longevity and ultimate removal are factored in. No point in doing things that make an overall negative impact.

That parts of mankind are both selfish and short sighted might be true but they can be overcome by the determination of others who aren’t. We put the people at the top. They don't elect themselves. Not here anyway.
 
ASCPFC said:
I heard that too. Have no idea if it's true. I presume a computer can model it these days.
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Just checked and its diameter is 7926 miles (12,700,000 metres app) equator to equator and 7907 miles pole to pole. So that’s approx 1100 Mariana trenches at about 7 miles.(11,000 metres app)
So a scratch on a 52mm snooker ball needs to be less than x mm deep to make it smoother than the earth shrunk down….
I get the theory but a bit shagged with the maths.😳
 
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