The Politics of 'Climate-change'

[Teddy Eagle]

Wear a hair shirt I here they are environmentally friendly but itchy.

Better than a Charlton shirt.

 

[Spindle]

As long as the gulf stream doesn't stop we are relatively protected this far to the northern hemisphere or have I got that wrong? It'll get like a rainy Spain.

Also, I think you're too down on technology being able to modify this. There are significant CO2 technologies that can be taken that could reduce warming....according to Grok by one or two degrees for just one of them.
I think it's too early to say it's over.

I do not think even a massive produced efficient CO2 sequestration machine would not be enough to reverse even the current rate of burning let alone the last 50 years of intense burning.

The Atlantic conveyor is a theory, I'd be far more concerned about the gargantuan block of ice on Greenland melting, that's several metres of sea level

 

[Spindle]

What do you class as renewable?

A lot of people do not even understand the process of what goes into the different methods that are classed as being cleaner.

Renewable for me is sunlight or secondary energy from sunlight, such as wind and wave. Or anything that is considered part of a very short (max 2 year) carbon cycle.

Drax and their wood pellets are planet criminals

 

[Stirlingsays]

I do not think even a massive produced efficient CO2 sequestration machine would not be enough to reverse even the current rate of burning let alone the last 50 years of intense burning.

The Atlantic conveyor is a theory, I'd be far more concerned about the gargantuan block of ice on Greenland melting, that's several metres of sea level

You have probably max about another 50 years of burning before fusion and other energy sources take over the main roles. From that point the reversal system won't only have slowed increases they will be beating them back.

As for the melting.....'won't someone please think of the polar bears'.....We will adapt.

 

[Spindle]

I was informed once that if the earth was shrunk to the size of a snooker ball it would be smoother than any manufactured. !

 

[Spindle]

Several times. "We can't do anything as individuals".

Do you vote?

 

[Spindle]

You have probably max about another 50 years of burning before fusion and other energy sources take over the main roles. From that point the reversal system won't only have slowed increases they will be beating them back.

As for the melting.....'won't someone please think of the polar bears'.....We will adapt.

You're not getting it. We should've already dealt with this existential threat but didn't. The oven is turned up so melting will happen, and the costs are gargantuan, and it's too late. All this whining about "excuses for green tax" is insignificant compared to the costs of inaction that are inevitable, and have been occurring already and will continue to build.

"I'm not going back to live in a cave". the deniers say, but it's not their choice if they do or do not (their offspring anyway) especially after blowing all the opportunities to do so.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Do you vote?

Having a quinquennial opportunity to choose different politicians to sort things out? Yeah, that'll work. Do voters in China have this topic as their top priority?

 

[Stirlingsays]

You're not getting it. We should've already dealt with this existential threat but didn't. The oven is turned up so melting will happen, and the costs are gargantuan, and it's too late. All this whining about "excuses for green tax" is insignificant compared to the costs of inaction that are inevitable, and have been occurring already and will continue to build.

"I'm not going back to live in a cave". the deniers say, but it's not their choice if they do or do not (their offspring anyway) especially after blowing all the opportunities to do so.

Blimey, turn that flown upside down Spindles.

You sound like you lost a tenner and found a fiver.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What can "we" do?

You know full well what it means. We meaning the collective efforts of mankind acting in communities, large and small, trying to reduce the impact that industrialisation has had on the climate.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You have probably max about another 50 years of burning before fusion and other energy sources take over the main roles. From that point the reversal system won't only have slowed increases they will be beating them back.

As for the melting.....'won't someone please think of the polar bears'.....We will adapt.

Probably is not something that any responsible politician, or the society they serve, can rely on.

Hope springs eternal but it cannot be a policy when failure is existential.

I didn’t realise you were an admirer of Mr Micawber.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

You know full well what it means. We meaning the collective efforts of mankind acting in communities, large and small, trying to reduce the impact that industrialisation has had on the climate.

Not an answer.
Again, what can "we" to to mitigate the effects of another runway at Gatwick?

 

[stuckinbristol]

I live near to Berkeley and Oldbury. Neither have been generating for many years, but neither will be moved nor finished on their decommissioning for at least another 50 years. Nuclear is a timebomb.

Just opened this thread, been away for a bit, and noticed this post.

I can see Oldbury, the white castle, from my house.

And my parents live about a mile from the Berkeley one.

 

[HKOwen]

Just went to and from Bratislava from Vienna by train, almost entire way the land is strewn with wind turbines and pylons, what a terrible sight

 

[Spindle]

Having a quinquennial opportunity to choose different politicians to sort things out? Yeah, that'll work. Do voters in China have this topic as their top priority?

Didn't ask you that.

I take it that's a yes, therefore hypocritical

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Didn't ask you that.

I take it that's a yes, therefore hypocritical

Whereas whether I vote in a country responsible for, at most, 1% of damaging emissions is the final word on the subject.

 

[Spindle]

Blimey, turn that flown upside down Spindles.

You sound like you lost a tenner and found a fiver.

Sorry bud, but I think we're in real trouble. All this backing of oil off the back of culture war them V us is so so dumb.

And strangely many anti renewables want more nukes, which cost far far more £ per kW, and are pretty much all placed by the sea, the one that IS going to rise.

I know that it's the man we love to hate Al Gore but he visits a Greenland science hut on the sheet about a decade ago and has to climb a 15ft ladder to get into it, because the hut is on big stilts. He says "why did you put it on stilts?" and the scientist says "We didn't".
Those stilts were foundation piles and what it shows is that since the hut was installed (not too long ago) there's been that depth of ice melted off the top of the entire surface, nevermind the ice melt below it too. I think it's something like 30ft across the sheet - an enormous amount of meltwater.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Not an answer.
Again, what can "we" to to mitigate the effects of another runway at Gatwick?

As you appear to be off on another wander into the pedantic forest I won’t be joining you.

You know exactly what is meant. Pedantic you are, but stupid you aren’t.

 

[Spindle]

Just opened this thread, been away for a bit, and noticed this post.

I can see Oldbury, the white castle, from my house.

And my parents live about a mile from the Berkeley one.

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Do you know exactly what I mean then. Imagine the taxpayer money piled towards Magnox for these sites

 

[Spindle]

Just went to and from Bratislava from Vienna by train, almost entire way the land is strewn with wind turbines and pylons, what a terrible sight

And yet you can't see the irony of travelling on an electric train where a steel track has been carved from one location to the next

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