Sentences too harsh!

[Teddy Eagle]

Wrong. It depends on the evidence and the information available to the judge. Every case is individually considered and on its merits. There is not and cannot be a one size fits all approach.

The evidence was in the hundreds of images produced and the guilty plea.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

This place is really reaching new lows when he has to be a paedo sympathiser to continue bowing down to the powers that be with everything. All while he has the audacity to wag his sanctimonious finger at others.

 

[georgenorman]

Yes they do, by the delegation by the nation states of responsibility of the detailed decision making in agreed areas. Thus freeing up their own parliaments and civil servants to concentrate on those areas that matter most, whilst ensuring common standards exist that make commerce easier.

Your first sentence is almost completely lacking in meaning. Those living under the EU regime do not elect the people that propose and frame their laws, all they can do is take part in a charade to elect virtually powerless MEPs - rather like citizens of North Korea. [Their own parliaments are not 'freed up' by the existence of what is loosely described as a 'parliament' by the EU.]

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The evidence was in the hundreds of images produced and the guilty plea.

You no more have all the information than I do! You only have that which has been reported in whatever media you use. I have none at all but I take your word that there was both hundreds of images and a guilty plea and don’t defend this kind of behaviour any more than anyone else posting here.

None of which is the point. Only the Judge has all the evidence about the accused. He alone has the medical history, the social reports, family history and police records. Only he can decide what the appropriate sentence and rehabilitation programme ought to be.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

This place is really reaching new lows when he has to be a paedo sympathiser to continue bowing down to the powers that be with everything. All while he has the audacity to wag his sanctimonious finger at others.

The only thing that is reaching new lows is the level of ignorance demonstrated in posts like this!

I no more sympathise with paedophilia than anyone else here. To suggest I do is to completely misunderstand the points I have been making.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

The only thing that is reaching new lows is the level of ignorance demonstrated in posts like this!

I no more sympathise with paedophilia than anyone else here. To suggest I do is to completely misunderstand the points I have been making.

Your faith in judges letting these deviants walk free puts you in this wrong’un category.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

You no more have all the information than I do! You only have that which has been reported in whatever media you use. I have none at all but I take your word that there was both hundreds of images and a guilty plea and don’t defend this kind of behaviour any more than anyone else posting here.

None of which is the point. Only the Judge has all the evidence about the accused. He alone has the medical history, the social reports, family history and police records. Only he can decide what the appropriate sentence and rehabilitation programme ought to be.

The point is that with the report Spiderman posted and a certain newsreader recently this is now four men who haven't been given a custodial sentence for the same crimes. Maybe there were extenuating circumstances but if so it brings the CPS system into question since they thought there was enough evidence to secure a conviction in each case.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Your first sentence is almost completely lacking in meaning. Those living under the EU regime do not elect the people that propose and frame their laws, all they can do is take part in a charade to elect virtually powerless MEPs - rather like citizens of North Korea. [Their own parliaments are not 'freed up' by the existence of what is loosely described as a 'parliament' by the EU.]

You have either consistently misunderstood or misrepresented the way the EU functions.

EU countries delegate responsibility. Just as we do when we choose representatives. It’s simply another type of democratic structure.

In this case it avoids duplicating the need for detailed work to produce complicated regulations by countries that share common values and standards. Which is the fundamental key stone of democratic cooperation.

It’s not the least like a dictatorship with a puppet parliament. Power ultimately rests with the people. As Brexit, foolishly, proved.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

You have either consistently misunderstood or misrepresented the way the EU functions.

EU countries delegate responsibility. Just as we do when we choose representatives. It’s simply another type of democratic structure.

In this case it avoids duplicating the need for detailed work to produce complicated regulations by countries that share common values and standards. Which is the fundamental key stone of democratic cooperation.

It’s not the least like a dictatorship with a puppet parliament. Power ultimately rests with the people. As Brexit, foolishly, proved.

absolutely incorrrect. Visit Ireland if you do not believe me. An EU puppet Parliament. Implementing the will of Brussels over the will of the people. Time and time again.
Riding roughshod over democracy. Totally ignoring the 2004 Citizenship referendum and many other examples of the voice of the people.

The EU ( & puppets ) took a recent massive kicking in the 'woman's place in the home' referendum. And all it did was slow down their Progressive Lib-Left Juggernaut. The Government didnt fall and the nutters are still preaching the undemocratic-madness.

My prediction is that the forthcoming General Election will make zero impact on the direction the country is travelling.

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The recording reveals participants in the SPHE course at DCU openly talking about how "fisting" and "rimming" was discussed with pupils in a school classroom

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[Wisbech Eagle]

The point is that with the report Spiderman posted and a certain newsreader recently this is now four men who haven't been given a custodial sentence for the same crimes. Maybe there were extenuating circumstances but if so it brings the CPS system into question since they thought there was enough evidence to secure a conviction in each case.

Case proved!

We don’t know, so ought not judge.

Were they the same crimes? Or were they reported in a similar way? Is the background of each accused identical?

Were they convicted but not given custodial sentences? It’s not the job of the CPS to sentence! It’s their job to ensure court time is not wasted by reviewing the evidence.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Case proved!

We don’t know, so ought not judge.

Were they the same crimes? Or were they reported in a similar way? Is the background of each accused identical?

Were they convicted but not given custodial sentences? It’s not the job of the CPS to sentence! It’s their job to ensure court time is not wasted by reviewing the evidence.

They obviously didn't review the evidence properly so was court time not wasted?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

absolutely incorrrect. Visit Ireland if you do not believe me. An EU puppet Parliament. Implementing the will of Brussels over the will of the people. Time and time again.

I haven’t been in Ireland for many years but that simply cannot be correct.

The EU does not have any responsibility in any member state for foreign or fiscal policies and can only offer opinions in many others. So unless the Irish Parliament spend all day in the pub they must be paying attention to such matters.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

They obviously didn't review the evidence properly so was court time not wasted?

You have seen the evidence?

How have you done that?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

You have seen the evidence?

How have you done that?

Not the point and anyway I've read some of the reports which you claim not to have done. The CPS saw all the evidence and decided there was enough to go to court.

 

[georgenorman]

You have either consistently misunderstood or misrepresented the way the EU functions.

EU countries delegate responsibility. Just as we do when we choose representatives. It’s simply another type of democratic structure.

In this case it avoids duplicating the need for detailed work to produce complicated regulations by countries that share common values and standards. Which is the fundamental key stone of democratic cooperation.

It’s not the least like a dictatorship with a puppet parliament. Power ultimately rests with the people. As Brexit, foolishly, proved.

Citizens of the UK elect members of the UK Parliament. Candidates and political parties put forward manifestos of the policies that they intend to enact if elected. MPs can vote for or against Bills and propose amendments. Individual MPs can also propose laws (such as the current assisted suicide scheme).
MEPs and their parties stand for election with no specific manifesto policies as they have no power or means of proposing laws in the EU. All they can do is put forward to the electorate their general outlook, for example UKIP stating that their aim was to remove the UK from the grip of the EU. They can vote against laws presented to them by the unelected EU Commissioners, but in the case of budgetary and foreign policy matters they can’t even do that.
EU law overrides national law. That meant that the UK (along with other member states) could not pass national laws that contradicted EU laws. It also meant that an EU law could over-rule a UK law, even if that UK law was enacted before the EU law came into effect.
If you can’t directly elect the people that propose and enact the laws that govern you, then you don’t live in a democracy. Certainly, the EU parliament is a puppet parliament. The British electorate recognised this and wisely voted to leave the EU.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Your faith in judges letting these deviants walk free puts you in this wrong’un category.

Nonsense.

It puts me in the category of preferring justice delivered via a set of laws administered by experts rather than by a mob.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Citizens of the UK elect members of the UK Parliament. Candidates and political parties put forward manifestos of the policies that they intend to enact if elected. MPs can vote for or against Bills and propose amendments. Individual MPs can also propose laws (such as the current assisted suicide scheme).
MEPs and their parties stand for election with no specific manifesto policies as they have no power or means of proposing laws in the EU. All they can do is put forward to the electorate their general outlook, for example UKIP stating that their aim was to remove the UK from the grip of the EU. They can vote against laws presented to them by the unelected EU Commissioners, but in the case of budgetary and foreign policy matters they can’t even do that.
EU law overrides national law. That meant that the UK (along with other member states) could not pass national laws that contradicted EU laws. It also meant that an EU law could over-rule a UK law, even if that UK law was enacted before the EU law came into effect.
If you can’t directly elect the people that propose and enact the laws that govern you, then you don’t live in a democracy. Certainly, the EU parliament is a puppet parliament. The British electorate recognised this and wisely voted to leave the EU.

The EU has delegated responsibilities which when exercised then need to be implemented into national laws. National Parliaments being responsible for the implementation. The EU Parliament has an entirely different function to that of National Parliaments and to try to equate it with them is to start from the wrong place. It doesn’t work that way.

By far not everything is delegated to the EU. The principle of subsidiarity rules. Something Margaret Thatcher approved of and fought for. You only delegate matters where a common approach serves the whole better than separate ones do. In many areas each country retains full responsibility for decisions. Primarily taxation, budgets, defence and foreign policy. Deciding shoe sizes or product labelling is better done collectively.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Not the point and anyway I've read some of the reports which you claim not to have done. The CPS saw all the evidence and decided there was enough to go to court.

That’s what the CPS do.

They don’t decide guilt or innocence, let alone the appropriate sentence.

Their role is to weed out cases that are so flawed as to have no prospect of a successful prosecution. They might be appalled at the alleged crime but if it cannot be proven won’t allow it to go to court. There’s no point, although they will sometimes allow a flimsy case to proceed if they think the public interest would be served by doing so.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

That’s what the CPS do.

They don’t decide guilt or innocence, let alone the appropriate sentence.

Their role is to weed out cases that are so flawed as to have no prospect of a successful prosecution. They might be appalled at the alleged crime but if it cannot be proven won’t allow it to go to court. There’s no point, although they will sometimes allow a flimsy case to proceed if they think the public interest would be served by doing so.

The contention then is that the CPS were confident that in each case there was sufficient evidence to secure a prosecution and yet in all four cases those accused walked.

 

[cryrst]

Nonsense.

It puts me in the category of preferring justice delivered via a set of laws administered by experts rather than by a mob.

I will… brexit !