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I'm trying to explain something that would be liable to legal action so I have to be very careful. If that is not obvious and you are desperate to be the village clown then get on with it.

Yes, be very careful.

It's well known that if you reveal any of these deadly plans that Farage's legal team will be down your throat quicker than Dicaprio's tongue with a worryingly young girlfriend.

They are out scanning football forums searching for reveals of these dastardy plans.....Farage is like the Terminator...He will not stop.
 
Yes, be very careful.

It's well known that if you reveal any of these deadly plans that Farage's legal team will be down your throat quicker than Dicaprio's tongue with a worryingly young girlfriend.

They are out scanning football forums searching for reveals of these dastardy plans.....Farage is like the Terminator...He will not stop.
What worries me is your refusal to heed what history tells us,surely you realise that history is taught in schools for a reason.During covid Spanish flu was often mentioned and that was 100 years ago+.
 
What worries me is your refusal to heed what history tells us,surely you realise that history is taught in schools for a reason.During covid Spanish flu was often mentioned and that was 100 years ago+.
Well yeah, as a teacher I occasionally covered for history lessons.
 
Yes, be very careful.

It's well known that if you reveal any of these deadly plans that Farage's legal team will be down your throat quicker than Dicaprio's tongue with a worryingly young girlfriend.

They are out scanning football forums searching for reveals of these dastardy plans.....Farage is like the Terminator...He will not stop.
On the election trail Farage had more objects thrown at him than any other front line politican. This was because we are not certain of his hidden intentions.
 
I am not sure that is the case as the Tories lost a huge amount of experience over the Johnson/Truss/Sunak years and the further right MP's who may seek merger are probably not going to be the ones with experience of government.

Reform are a movement - a powerful one but one built one one totem, if we invent a concept of being English and stop immigration and seek to deport anyone who is not 'English,' all the nations woes will vanish into a utopian Albion.

Sadly life is not like that and there are a myriad of complexity out there.

And yes that is simplistic but no matter how much huffing and puffing Nigel Farage does in the media it cannot disguise a lack of depth of wider policies at the moment.

This idea that Reform are a one trick pony, and it's all about Immigration and 'being English' is all propaganda. Yes, it is a large part of their identity but their Manifesto was one of a real shake up of ideas. Did this show a 'lack of depth of wider policies', or a genuine attempt to fix a broken system?
 
Reform is not a political party it is a private company owned in the main by objector in chief Nigel Farage.

It is neither member centric nor democratic (who voted Farage in as leader?)

I have little doubt it will see huge gains in the devolved elections and in other elections over the next few years as people want change, but it's dead easy to promise the earth in opposition and in the run up to the election - look at the current government.

But as a party led by a small group whose answer to every woe is that it's all down to immigration they will struggle to govern in a credible way as they have no real experience or depth of knowledge right now.

Will they gain that? Maybe as I can see Kemi looking for a merger once she realises that her party remains split and snarky.
The denial by people like yourself is part of the problem.

Take housing. Suddenly, the government is going to wipe out objections to planning permissions in order to fill our beautiful countryside with houses mostly affordable only for those moving from more expensive areas like London. The excuse is the rising population, caused entirely by immigration.
Once again, big building companies will benefit.

Meanwhile, all the blinkered types will whine about Reform while the wealthy get wealthier because of mass immigration.

You have been conned.
 
The denial by people like yourself is part of the problem.

Take housing. Suddenly, the government is going to wipe out objections to planning permissions in order to fill our beautiful countryside with houses mostly affordable only for those moving from more expensive areas like London. The excuse is the rising population, caused entirely by immigration.
Once again, big building companies will benefit.

Meanwhile, all the blinkered types will whine about Reform while the wealthy get wealthier because of mass immigration.

You have been conned.
It's so the liberal elite can vacate multi cultural London, they'd love to stay but unfortunately their wife's mother is not well so they need to move closer to her. 😀
 
Another Tory (rat) deserts the sinking Tory ship.Tim Montgomerie has gone to Reform. It is daily becoming clear that Reform will be Her Majesties Official Opposition after the next election.One defects from the Tories almost weekly it was Andrea Jenkyns last week.
They can smell the money. They will be coming in droves soon, especially when Musk ups the ante.
Why not? Football does it and that IS a religion.
 
It's so the liberal elite can vacate multi cultural London, they'd love to stay but unfortunately their wife's mother is not well so they need to move closer to her. 😀
Quite.

For all those who love immigration and multi culture but just want somewhere to keep some chickens.
 
What worries me is your refusal to heed what history tells us,surely you realise that history is taught in schools for a reason.During covid Spanish flu was often mentioned and that was 100 years ago+.
Well 2TK and his cohorts are taking us closer to 1940 and banning opposite opinions. If a party could start reversing that then surely that’s good. Unless you like where it’s going in the uk of course.
 
The denial by people like yourself is part of the problem.

Take housing. Suddenly, the government is going to wipe out objections to planning permissions in order to fill our beautiful countryside with houses mostly affordable only for those moving from more expensive areas like London. The excuse is the rising population, caused entirely by immigration.
Once again, big building companies will benefit.

Meanwhile, all the blinkered types will whine about Reform while the wealthy get wealthier because of mass immigration.

You have been conned.
Where on earth do you get these nonsensical ideas from? Another dodgy right wing forum no doubt dedicated to spreading disinformation and winding up people like you. Just pause for a moment and consider who might want to do that.

Nobody is going to “wipe out” the opportunity to object to planning applications! The ideas are all intended to streamline and simplify the process, remove some of the daft restrictions, avoid 10 different local bodies all needing to scrutinise and comment, often taking months to do so. Taking a common sense approach to land use will free up resources too. Putting the needs of people above those of three legged green spotted frogs or bats doesn’t mean that nature will be trampled on either. It just means a more pragmatic approach will be adopted.

I don’t know when the last time you were involved in trying to obtain planning but anything beyond the very straightforward to an existing property can take years and lots of money.

Then, as usual, you blame immigration for the problem in the first place. I bet you blame every Palace loss on immigration. We need workers. Our Universities need overseas students. People need homes close to their work or studies.

Reform cannot change those fundamentals and only fools believe they could.
 
This idea that Reform are a one trick pony, and it's all about Immigration and 'being English' is all propaganda. Yes, it is a large part of their identity but their Manifesto was one of a real shake up of ideas. Did this show a 'lack of depth of wider policies', or a genuine attempt to fix a broken system?

My take is that Reform are currently a maybe three-trick pony (and still primarily a pony called Nigel) which makes their current polling quite remarkable. Question is can they expand their repertoire? Because there is a genuine and growing wave of discontent with establishment politics that is gaining energy every day. But energy is not enough. Can Reform offer it the kind of focus that makes it a genuine option of leading the country rather than just being the protest voting option? Personally I think they need to get rid of Farage. He has been the most influential British politican of the first quarter of this century but I feel there is not much road for him left. Getting Reform past that personality cult (and that is what it ultimately is and I make that statement without judgement on the merits of that) and it really does stand on the cusp of something quite extraordinary.
 
My take is that Reform are currently a maybe three-trick pony (and still primarily a pony called Nigel) which makes their current polling quite remarkable. Question is can they expand their repertoire? Because there is a genuine and growing wave of discontent with establishment politics that is gaining energy every day. But energy is not enough. Can Reform offer it the kind of focus that makes it a genuine option of leading the country rather than just being the protest voting option? Personally I think they need to get rid of Farage. He has been the most influential British politican of the first quarter of this century but I feel there is not much road for him left. Getting Reform past that personality cult (and that is what it ultimately is and I make that statement without judgement on the merits of that) and it really does stand on the cusp of something quite extraordinary.

What I can see happenning is Reform, who are taking a mildly extreme right wing stance, continue to accept tory deserters thus increasing the party size and government experience. Ultimately settling on a party less right wing than Reform currently are but more to the right of the current Tories. Think we need a Farage type to keep them honest and keep pulling right to avoid them slipping back.
 
My take is that Reform are currently a maybe three-trick pony (and still primarily a pony called Nigel) which makes their current polling quite remarkable. Question is can they expand their repertoire? Because there is a genuine and growing wave of discontent with establishment politics that is gaining energy every day. But energy is not enough. Can Reform offer it the kind of focus that makes it a genuine option of leading the country rather than just being the protest voting option? Personally I think they need to get rid of Farage. He has been the most influential British politican of the first quarter of this century but I feel there is not much road for him left. Getting Reform past that personality cult (and that is what it ultimately is and I make that statement without judgement on the merits of that) and it really does stand on the cusp of something quite extraordinary.

I think getting rid of Farage at this stage would be a disaster. Having said that I'd probably agree with most of your criticisms of him....indeed, I posted in support of Habib and fully agree with his reasons for leaving, Farage is turning Reform into Tory 2.0 (because he's looking for defectors), which means he's softening the message.

For people like you and me that's not going to cut it as we know what the future of the country is rapidly moving towards. However, Reform isn't going to grow or attract the kind of investment it needs to move from a protest vote to taking over from the Conservatives without broadening that Church.

I understand the tactics I just resent the process.

Reform's biggest supporter is the ineptitude and sheer detachment that the Tory parliamentary party have from most right wing voters. What's worse is that their base is mostly old boomers....who while more right wing than the parliamentary Cameron types still have all the same boomer myths and are too stuck in their ways to change....probably still reading newspapers most of them.

Like the MPs they are more concerned about not being seen as racist than anything else, the want to be liked by the left and end up accepting the kind of egalitarian waffle that turned their party into a Blair clone. They voted for Cameron over Davies, they voted Badenoch over Jennick....both times it was probably the blue rinser women who largely did it......I mean choosing Badenoch over Jennick is so tone deaf.....no chance of getting those red wall voters, but hey at least you're not racist. You have to laugh really.

Reform is trying to appeal to the likes of them and yeah.....it's kind of cringe to watch it.

Still if you removed Farage it would be as self harming as the Tories removing Johnson......yeah, of course they are a liability but the public know them and like them. The time to change horse is when the new horse has that recognition.....It should never be forgotten that most people aren't political and that recognition and time spent with a politician really matters.....It's why the next Reform leader will most probably have to be Tice or Anderson.
 
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What I can see happenning is Reform, who are taking a mildly extreme right wing stance, continue to accept tory deserters thus increasing the party size and government experience. Ultimately settling on a party less right wing than Reform currently are but more to the right of the current Tories. Think we need a Farage type to keep them honest and keep pulling right to avoid them slipping back.

Tory 2.0...aka Thatcherism isn't going to save the country and they aren't going to do what's required but hey, it's going to collapse at some stage anyway and my philosophy is always vote for the most right wing option......So you can at least tell your grandchildren that you were never a willing part of the madness.
 
well, i pay tax via PAYE and my tax hasn't gone up, has yours?

As for the gangs. It clearly won't be fixed overnight but they are making a start

Excellent - nothing to worry about then. No tax rises - nothing to see there as you don't pay more tax. And there's a news piece from Euronews about how one day they might cooperate on trafficking at some point - so that's certainly smashing the gangs. Not just populist slogans.
No, I don't pay more tax - I don't live in England anymore. But don't worry too much, my government is nearly as bad. They don't even bother with slogans, as they might get brought up at some stage.
 

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