Rather like the Nazi Party whatever the obvious draw backs it will not stop people voting for them. I am thinking of a small bet on them for the next election to beat the tories,they have many tory M.p.s and will have many more by the next election.Populism is VERY popular.
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Teddy Eagle
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Well, yes. Otherwise it'd be called Unpopulism.
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A political movement currently being created by Starmer.
Teddy Eagle
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Created and led by a plum with aplomb.
In political terms populism is a word for usually a far right party that goes after the popular vote, The nazis said they would get the trains running on time but forgot to put Mass murder in their manifesto. I'm not saying Reform are anywhere near that level but theydo have hidden objectives.
Teddy Eagle
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It's not an exclusively right wing phenomenon by any means.
Left-wing populism - Wikipedia
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"No tax rises", "smash the gangs".It's not an exclusively right wing phenomenon by any means.
Left-wing populism - Wikipedia
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That is why I said usually.😵😵😵It's not an exclusively right wing phenomenon by any means.
Left-wing populism - Wikipedia
Teddy Eagle
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Also why I wasn't disagreeing.
orpingtoneagle
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Would it be fun to see unpopularism emerging as a social construct
Teddy Eagle
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Sunak had a shot. It didn't end well.
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Surely the Tory MPs who joined and will join bring the experience that reform needs. Yes originally it was a movement but they have a few years to get the info they need and see what the uk needs. If an anti immigration manifesto does it for the voters then so be it. Wasn’t it ‘for the many not the few’ !!!
mI seem to be struggling to make the point that Reform is not what you see is what you get,they are a trojan horse.
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I am not sure that is the case as the Tories lost a huge amount of experience over the Johnson/Truss/Sunak years and the further right MP's who may seek merger are probably not going to be the ones with experience of government.
Reform are a movement - a powerful one but one built one one totem, if we invent a concept of being English and stop immigration and seek to deport anyone who is not 'English,' all the nations woes will vanish into a utopian Albion.
Sadly life is not like that and there are a myriad of complexity out there.
And yes that is simplistic but no matter how much huffing and puffing Nigel Farage does in the media it cannot disguise a lack of depth of wider policies at the moment.
Stirlingsays
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Voting for Reform is like voting for the Nazi party?
Am I having flashbacks to the Democrat's campaign against Donald Trump or something?
Are we in 1933?
Does anyone have a spare doughnut?
Correct.
Reform is a protest movement trying to turn itself into a serious political party. This happens so rarely in this country we forget that most political parties start out this way.
Labour grew out of the Trade Unions and middle class organisations like the Fabian Society. For about the first 20 years of it's existence it was a bit of a mixed bag some good individuals and a lot of rubbish.
It's going to take time for Reform to make the transition from one trick pony to a party that has serious policies across the board.
Th Greens have been at it far longer and I still don't think they have achieved this yet, they still have a large element of loony activists.
Success breeds success. The more Reform wins the more likely better people will join. I think it is realistic to try and challenge the Tory party in five years time. If nothing else it will wake up the Tories.
Reform are very careful what they say,far more than Labour, Reform are NOT showing their real agenda, I did not liken them as such. The Nazi promised in their manifesto to get the trains running on time,they did but no mention of death camps was mentioned in the manifesto.What lies beneath?
I don't agree. We do not vote for extremists in this country, Mosley only got elected because he was a Labour candidate. Once his nastiness was out in the open it was only a matter of time before the BUF was finished.
In every party you will have a group of nasties, for a party that is just forming this proportion might be higher, these people have probably tried and failed to get on in the mainstream parties. However the Brexit party and now Reform like UKIP have always ejected these people once it became none what they were about.
My fear is not that Reform are closet Nazis but rather as they get closer to real power they will abandon the policies that people have voted for and move to the middle ground. In short Tory Party II.
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Quite an enjoyable post really.....I mean, the National Socialists last manifesto was for the 1933 election, I think the first 'death camps' were set up in 1940 and were mostly in occupied Poland, not in Germany......I guess that's quite some future planning then.
However, I'm quite enjoying this secret parallel world where Farage is secretly plotting with his Islamic chairman to set up deadly schemes for.....well I don't know what you're pushing at exactly.
Like the Democrats over Trump in America......you lot think the right are far more based than they actually are.
I mean, I really liked project 2025, but the idea that the GOP or Trump (who is a 90s Democrat) were going to enact it makes anyone who understands the reality laugh.
Trump is a Huey Lewis and the News nationalist.....he wants a cultural shift to the 80s/90s.....he isn't much of a social conservative at all. As for Farage....the guy's a Thatcherite.....and while you can oppose his ideas, this idea that Thatcherites are on some kind of deadly mission is ridiculous.
I'm trying to explain something that would be liable to legal action so I have to be very careful. If that is not obvious and you are desperate to be the village clown then get on with it.