Reform

[Stirlingsays]

The meeting was called off earlier in the day due to the planned protest. An alternative venue was used and the meeting went ahead. A lot of fluff in this tweet, I imagine like most things these days, why let the facts get in the way of a few clicks.

There's so much irresponsible nonsense like this that gets spouted from all sides of the political spectrum.

It's not 'irresponsible nonsense' at all.

A protest is fine, but there is a point to ensuring that meetings and workplaces aren't disrupted. A distance protocol makes sense.

The very point is to cancel the meeting, by succeeding in making attendees feel unsafe, the action becomes emboldened.

By ignoring what is done here all that is enabled is its continuance.

 

[DanH]

It's not 'irresponsible nonsense' at all.

A protest is fine, but there is a point to ensuring that meetings and workplaces aren't disrupted. A distance protocol makes sense.

The very point is to cancel the meeting, by succeeding in making attendees feel unsafe, the action becomes emboldened.

By ignoring what is done here all that is enabled is its continuance.

Sounds an awful like ‘free speech for me, but not for thee’ here. People are allowed to protest.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Sounds an awful like ‘free speech for me, but not for thee’ here. People are allowed to protest.

Yeah, if you weren't interpreting what I've said correctly I could see that.

So again, to the question that you ignored, (which would make your Hrolf criticise invalid) do you support activist protests outside abortion clinics?

My position is that protests are fine, but only up to the point that it doesn't disrupt the legal activity from occurring....which when it comes to political meetings and work matters.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Yep, and it's basically the left's playbook....here we see their activists getting a Reform meeting cancelled.

I suspect, that if you looked at the funding of these groups that you would find.....just as Musk is finding out.....that taxpayer money is being given to them.....just as we know that's done with the far left 'Hope Not Hate'.....and that was done under the Conservatives as well, just for anyone who didn't know.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887922990958133547

What a lot of total bs!

Was there any actual violence or threats of it?

Just imagine if the reverse had happened! There would be endless sarcasm about “hurty words” etc.

The very essence of free speech is the right to protest.

Hope not Hate are hardly “far left” either. They are anti far right politics, which is a very different thing and includes people from a wide political spectrum.

 

[samprior]

It's not 'irresponsible nonsense' at all.

A protest is fine, but there is a point to ensuring that meetings and workplaces aren't disrupted. A distance protocol makes sense.

The very point is to cancel the meeting, by succeeding in making attendees feel unsafe, the action becomes emboldened.

By ignoring what is done here all that is enabled is its continuance.

A tweet, that looks very AI generated, which does not state the facts is in my opinion 'irresponsible nonsense'.

The rest of what you say I agree with but it doesn't appear to be what happened here.

Quote from an article - Reform Sheffield announced that the event had been moved to another venue due to “unforeseen circumstances”. The post said: “We’re pleased to report that an enjoyable evening was had by all and we’re looking forward to the next one. Reform UK has all the momentum in British politics.”

 

[Stirlingsays]

A tweet, that looks very AI generated, which does not state the facts is in my opinion 'irresponsible nonsense'.

The rest of what you say I agree with but it doesn't appear to be what happened here.

Quote from an article - Reform Sheffield announced that the event had been moved to another venue due to “unforeseen circumstances”. The post said: “We’re pleased to report that an enjoyable evening was had by all and we’re looking forward to the next one. Reform UK has all the momentum in British politics.”

If it is AI generated then I'm obviously in the wrong, perhaps not on the points but on the event.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Mmmm...this is interesting, so given what you say here do you support anti abortion activists being allowed to protest outside abortion clinics? Being able to film for identification purposes and shout abuse at those attending?

I support the right to protest, but not when the people attending feel threatened. I think that's what you seem to be supporting here for things you don't like.

More bs and false equivalence.

Nobody seeks to deny people the right to protest against abortion.

What is objected to is doing it in ways which deliberately intimidate vulnerable women from accessing legal services.

Were those seeking to attend a Reform meeting either really intimidated or vulnerable? Or just being pussies?

 

[DanH]

Yeah, if you weren't interpreting what I've said correctly I could see that.

So again, to the question that you ignored, (which would make your Hrolf criticise invalid) do you support activist protests outside abortion clinics?

My position is that protests are fine, but only up to the point that it doesn't disrupt the legal activity from occurring....which when it comes to political meetings and work matters.

I already answered it. Absolutely fine with protest.

 

[samprior]

More bs and false equivalence.

Nobody seeks to deny people the right to protest against abortion.

What is objected to is doing it in ways which deliberately intimidate vulnerable women from accessing legal services.

Were those seeking to attend a Reform meeting either really intimidated or vulnerable? Or just being pussies?

It's responses like this which is why I call the tweet irresponsible nonsense. Neither of these things happened because the meeting was called off earlier in the day and moved. But by avoiding these facts it lets people of differing political persuasions (not that I'd ever want to assume but I don't thing I'm sticking my neck on the line too much there in reference to the two of you) start jumping down each others throats.

I see it as a microcosm of the typical online political debate

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It's responses like this which is why I call the tweet irresponsible nonsense. Neither of these things happened because the meeting was called off earlier in the day and moved. But by avoiding these facts it lets people of differing political persuasions (not that I'd ever want to assume but I don't thing I'm sticking my neck on the line too much there in reference to the two of you) start jumping down each others throats.

I see it as a microcosm of the typical online political debate

So why was it moved elsewhere if they weren’t either intimidated or being pussies?

I cannot detect any real intimidation. So can only conclude they were just being pussies.

 

[samprior]

So why was it moved elsewhere if they weren’t either intimidated or being pussies?

I cannot detect any real intimidation. So can only conclude they were just being pussies.

An antagonistic style of response. You're welcome to your own conclusions.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I already answered it. Absolutely fine with protest.

Not really, you have given a plausible deniability answer here.

 

[Stirlingsays]

More bs and false equivalence.

Nobody seeks to deny people the right to protest against abortion.

What is objected to is doing it in ways which deliberately intimidate vulnerable women from accessing legal services.

Were those seeking to attend a Reform meeting either really intimidated or vulnerable? Or just being pussies?

I've literally answered why these fears are real and legitimate. People need to protect their mortgages and these people contain a subset who will go to any level to sack them.....It's true for whatever side of a political spectrum but more so the left.

The woman who was arrested wasn't intimidating or interfering with anyone, she was streets away from the clinic. If she was actually doing those things I would have agreed with what happened......and that's coming from myself who is very pro life.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Protest is a key part of a free society.

Stopping legal meetings or workplaces is not.

It's not rocket science to navigate both, just the application of common sense.

 

[samprior]

Protest is a key part of a free society.

Stopping legal meetings or workplaces is not.

It's not rocket science to navigate both, just the application of common sense.

And in the original tweet this was indeed the outcome.

 

[Stirlingsays]

And in the original tweet this was indeed the outcome.

The reason for what the cancellation is matters, if you're right that this wasn't due to intimation or doxing fears for example then that's fine and I withdraw my concern relevant to the event.

However, it's obviously not fine if those fears were behind it.....People attending legal meetings should not have to worry about the above.....and this happens, as the abortion issue shows....and I and the site owner have also experienced.

 

[samprior]

The reason for what the cancellation is matters, if you're right that this wasn't due to intimation or doxing fears for example then that's fine and I withdraw my concern relevant to the event.

However, it's obviously not fine if those fears were behind it.....People attending legal meetings should not have to worry about the above.....and this happens, as the abortion issue shows....and I and the site owner have also experienced.

The protest was planned and organisers of the meeting chose to change the location of the meeting. Where that lies on the free speech Vs intimidation spectrum who knows. You'd have to interview all organisers and attendees to get an accurate and full understanding. I don't think anyone's going to do that because no one would bother reading it on Twitter and it'd stop people jumping to all these helpful conclusions!

 

[Stirlingsays]

The protest was planned and organisers of the meeting chose to change the location of the meeting. Where that lies on the free speech Vs intimidation spectrum who knows. You'd have to interview all organisers and attendees to get an accurate and full understanding. I don't think anyone's going to do that because no one would bother reading it on Twitter and it'd stop people jumping to all these helpful conclusions!

Ok, but you do realise that those same people couldn't organise that same protest outside an abortion clinic. The fears of intimidation and doxing are the same.

 

[Stirlingsays]

According to the Telegraph Labour's Foreign Office are open to talks with Caribbean officials over slavery reparations.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

How much is the Caribbean going to pay the UK ? We need the cash.