Reform

[Stirlingsays]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1889249067718394304

I like some of Badenoch's views but electing her to the leadership was so so deaf. I use to think that the grass roots of the Tory party were more right wing than their leadership, and I still do.....but what's also apparent is that they are (as a majority) as dim as a bag of rocks.

I was amazed when they chose Cameron over Davies and I frankly couldn't believe it when I heard Badenoch beat Jennick. To be honest Reform didn't kill the Tory party, their own grass roots have a share in its own demise.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Also I have to say, having a Starmer government, with their legion of anti right wing progressives cheering them on is just about the worse situation for this country economically that we could find ourselves in with a Trump adminstration.

Starmer is a EU-phile and he risks wasting economic opportunities we have with a Trump administration who are likely to re-align trading balances in their favour all over Europe. Even with a Democratic future administration any advantages that Trump secures are unlikely to be given up.

 

[Apollofuzz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890189234428133851

Its sensible/lucky/sneaky/dishonest that they are cancelling the local elections in the areas where they are considering combining local councils into one big super local council covering multiple councils. The reason stated is not to waste money on an election which will be pointless if they plan goes ahead. I wonder what the results would be if they did all go ahead?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Also I have to say, having a Starmer government, with their legion of anti right wing progressives cheering them on is just about the worse situation for this country economically that we could find ourselves in with a Trump adminstration.

Starmer is a EU-phile and he risks wasting economic opportunities we have with a Trump administration who are likely to re-align trading balances in their favour all over Europe. Even with a Democratic future administration any advantages that Trump secures are unlikely to be given up.

You don’t make deals with the devil. You cannot trust them!

Trump breaks deals. He doesn’t make deals. We would be foolish to even try. When trust has been destroyed nothing can be built.

We need to do the minimum we have to, then wait out the next 4 years whilst working hard with genuine allies and look8ng elsewhere.

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

Its sensible/lucky/sneaky/dishonest that they are cancelling the local elections in the areas where they are considering combining local councils into one big super local council covering multiple councils. The reason stated is not to waste money on an election which will be pointless if they plan goes ahead. I wonder what the results would be if they did all go ahead?

Yes, I live in one of those areas, West Sussex, and the natives are livid I can tell you. Our MP, Andrew Griffith is making a bit of a song and dance about our inability to have a democratic vote, but I suspect he'll fail to make any headway. Too many potential anti-labour voters for Mr Starmer's liking.

It's all very dangerous and feels more and more like we're living in a police state.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Its sensible/lucky/sneaky/dishonest that they are cancelling the local elections in the areas where they are considering combining local councils into one big super local council covering multiple councils. The reason stated is not to waste money on an election which will be pointless if they plan goes ahead. I wonder what the results would be if they did all go ahead?

You would have a short lived council unable to do anything at all because of the impending reorganisation. Hardly a sensible use of our money. Or of the parties who would fight it. The time to fight is when the election after the reorganisation takes place.

These are empty protests. Just noise. I bet that secretly Reform are delighted.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890562446340821314

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890562446340821314

This was for a ward representative on a local council!

The guy got 394 votes in a turn out of only 25%.

Given the current level of noise surrounding UK and world politics it was inevitable that the Reform types would turn out whilst most others wouldn’t even have known there was an election going on.

Big deal it isn’t!

 

[ASCPFC]

This was for a ward representative on a local council!

The guy got 394 votes in a turn out of only 25%.

Given the current level of noise surrounding UK and world politics it was inevitable that the Reform types would turn out whilst most others wouldn’t even have known there was an election going on.

Big deal it isn’t!

I will wager you any money that Reform will wipe the floor with the other parties at the local elections. Labour and Tories will both have their worst local elections ever. I could almost tell you the Guardian headline. "Despair for Communities as Reform marches ahead".

 

[cryrst]

This was for a ward representative on a local council!

The guy got 394 votes in a turn out of only 25%.

Given the current level of noise surrounding UK and world politics it was inevitable that the Reform types would turn out whilst most others wouldn’t even have known there was an election going on.

Big deal it isn’t!

If labour had won you would have made it a big deal though !

 

[Stirlingsays]

If labour had won you would have made it a big deal though !

He's in the usual emotional denialism that is typical of his political position.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I will wager you any money that Reform will wipe the floor with the other parties at the local elections. Labour and Tories will both have their worst local elections ever. I could almost tell you the Guardian headline. "Despair for Communities as Reform marches ahead".

Not a bad headline, although not really catchy. Or accurate. A better one might be “Disaffected voters give both Labour and the Tories bloody noses”.

I too expect to see Reform do well in the local elections, and at any bye elections that are held. It’s what happens in these circumstances. Protest votes happen.

A GE is very different and is more than 4 years away.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

If labour had won you would have made it a big deal though !

Why? It’s an irrelevance.

 

[ASCPFC]

Not a bad headline, although not really catchy. Or accurate. A better one might be “Disaffected voters give both Labour and the Tories bloody noses”.

I too expect to see Reform do well in the local elections, and at any bye elections that are held. It’s what happens in these circumstances. Protest votes happen.

A GE is very different and is more than 4 years away.

Fair enough - likely some truth in this. Although I'm thinking Reform may win the general election too. It's impossible to know right now.

 

[DanH]

Interesting poll from YouGov which shows the big problem that Reform will have - the British public are far more moderate and aligned on the 'big issues' than their 2024 voting base. If they want to convert their decent polling (and increase it further) they will have to appeal to the more moderate and likely alienate a lot of their hyper online right wing base.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1891818768369651819

 

[Stirlingsays]

Interesting poll from YouGov which shows the big problem that Reform will have - the British public are far more moderate and aligned on the 'big issues' than their 2024 voting base. If they want to convert their decent polling (and increase it further) they will have to appeal to the more moderate and likely alienate a lot of their hyper online right wing base.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1891818768369651819

Not really.

The positions you see there are precisely the positions of both the Labour party and Conservative party. Most people don't really know much about the situation in Ukraine and just reflect back the media messaging given to them.

Really all Reform need to do is let time play out in Ukraine over the next couple of years because current policy and its slavish media megaphone aren't going to look good.

Just watch dude....you'll hate it but what can I say...sorry.

 

[Stirlingsays]

A collection of some of the most unpopular leaders in Europe in modern times.....Germany's ruling party are at 15 percent in the polls....I think Labour in the mid twenties.....Macron has to work with commies just to continue......As for the unelected EU lot....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1891577158323015786

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Not really.

The positions you see there are precisely the positions of both the Labour party and Conservative party. Most people don't really know much about the situation in Ukraine and just reflect back the media messaging given to them.

Really all Reform need to do is let time play out in Ukraine over the next couple of years because current policy and its slavish media megaphone aren't going to look good.

Just watch dude....you'll hate it but what can I say...sorry.

Do you ever consider that you might be wrong and that the major parties and their experienced politicians, aided and advised by senior diplomats and analysed by the media, might actually know more than an ex school teacher living in the Fens on matters of international affairs?

That you happen to agree with a loud mouth bully who has blagged his way to the White House and an ex investment banker who conned the voters into believing that being outside the EU meant our streets would be paved with gold adds further question marks.

There’s a very good reason why the major parties broadly agree. It’s because they are right.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Interesting poll from YouGov which shows the big problem that Reform will have - the British public are far more moderate and aligned on the 'big issues' than their 2024 voting base. If they want to convert their decent polling (and increase it further) they will have to appeal to the more moderate and likely alienate a lot of their hyper online right wing base.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1891818768369651819

Very interesting and quite revealing. I am unsurprised by any of those figures, except the numbers for Reform. With attitudes like that they will already have hit their ceiling. Converting any more from the major parties without moderating their positions on this and other things will prove to be a huge ask.

 

[ASCPFC]

Very interesting and quite revealing. I am unsurprised by any of those figures, except the numbers for Reform. With attitudes like that they will already have hit their ceiling. Converting any more from the major parties without moderating their positions on this and other things will prove to be a huge ask.

What you're missing is Trump, Ukraine, Putin is not really many people's priority. Their priority is how sh1t their own country has become/ is becoming.