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Matov said:
Kemi will not last the year. She is just not up to the job.
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It is the model of plausibility that should Conservatives fare abjectly in the Local Elections and Reform perform well, Badenoch could well face a leadership challenge.

Even though the threshold for the number of letters to the '1922' has been increased one has to remember that in the final MPs ballot she was only victorious by a single vote which equated to 35% of the votes cast.
 
Willo said:
It is the model of plausibility that should Conservatives fare abjectly in the Local Elections and Reform perform well, Badenoch could well face a leadership challenge.

Even though the threshold for the number of letters to the '1922' has been increased one has to remember that in the final MPs ballot she was only victorious by a single vote which equated to 35% of the votes cast.
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Pretty certain she will face a challenge then.
 
Can't see the Tories doing well without major Reform.

Yes, I'm rather pleased with that.

In reality the Tory base have to look at themselves and the leaders they have chosen when given the choice. The majority of them abandoned real conservative values and went down the introspective house price conservativism route.....just when the country needed actual conservativism.

Most actual conservatives who actually were right wing have long since left the party for Reform. It can't attract any young conservatives now in any real numbers because well.....let's be honest, most of its MPs are Cameron filtered social liberals. Why would an actual conservative join that.

Because of its age it's stuck in its ways. Attached too strongly to old boomer myths which only resulted in social liberalism taking it over. The Tories for example pushed just as hard as Labour did to lock Tommy Robinson up.....They did just nearly as little as Labour did on the rape gangs as well.
 
Spiderman said:
Heaven help us! Having Ed Davey anywhere near Government is a horrifying thought, still perhaps he will parachute into Downing Street and celebrate by singing his new single on TOTP (is that still a thing?)
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The Lib Dems future doesn’t depend on Ed Davey. He might not even be the leader in 2028. They benefit from not being Tory (failed and fading), Labour (incumbent so held responsible) or Reform (unrealistic, untrustworthy, untried, unliked).
 
Spiderman said:
For “ minimise damage and begin to build towards the point where removing becomes the preferred option” read “ unfortunately the unwashed racists had a vote so let’s make sure this does not work”
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Not at all.

The vote was clear. That some were conned is also clear. That the “deal” wasn’t what was promised and should have been confirmed by the electorate but was trampled on by Johnson, is also clear.

That the whole thing should not have happened was negated once Parliament enacted Article 50.

Parliament acted. That they did so might be shameful and will be seen by historians as an abdication of their duty doesn’t change that.

So Brexit became history and the focus changed.
 
Phil’s Barber said:
I would love to. Have messaged Guntrisoft previously about it but will try him again.

Thank you.
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If you're refering to the latest from the message board on the homepage of the site, it might not get fixed for a while, as I've got a long list of stuff that needs doing that's ahead of it. Sorry!
 
beak said:
I think the Lib dems will suffer a leadership loss, I predict a return for "its a Knockout" and Ed Davey will find his true vocation.
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I think that Ed Davey's behaviour in the run up to the General Election was a PR masterstroke. He was aware that the Lib Dems wouldn't get much media coverage in our two party system so came up with a novel way of increasing the party's profile - and it worked well.
 
Midlands Eagle said:
I think that Ed Davey's behaviour in the run up to the General Election was a PR masterstroke. He was aware that the Lib Dems wouldn't get much media coverage in our two party system so came up with a novel way of increasing the party's profile - and it worked well.
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Surprisingly so. When I saw his stunts it put me right off, I am not interested in a gimmicky politician so sport stunts or playing guitar as some have done is not what I want from a leader.

That said it appears mine was a minority view.
 
Midlands Eagle said:
I think that Ed Davey's behaviour in the run up to the General Election was a PR masterstroke. He was aware that the Lib Dems wouldn't get much media coverage in our two party system so came up with a novel way of increasing the party's profile - and it worked well.
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Hopefully other politicans do NOT see this as the route to take otherwise the hustings will resemble Charlie Caroli's circus.I prefer to hear the facts.😒
 
I am watching the Kuenssberg programme on catch up and just seen the Farage interview.

He is right about why people are supporting Reform! It’s the same old reason that people believe that change will always be better than what they have. They are indeed angry and dissatisfied. They blame past governments and immigration for everything. Not pandemics, Putin or Brexit.

The problem is that they don’t actually look beyond their anger at what Reform/Farage are suggesting they would do with any objectivity. They just want it to be true.

Should they look they would realise it is all more hot air. Their “manifesto “ is no more than populist propaganda. It’s completely unrealistic. Just a long wish list that even Santa would laugh at.

Farage’s defence of Musk will come back to bite him. There is no general sympathy for either Trump or Musk in the UK. That which is found in these pages is very unusual. Even Farage acknowledged there is a limit to free speech. Which ought, in my opinion, now be extended to ensuring that the owners of social media platforms cannot manipulate the algorithms they own to ensure their own voice gets amplified. That’s not free speech. It’s propaganda.
 
Matov said:
Why on earth would they do that? They have a massive majority.

Even the fact that this makes the Sunday Times, indicates something seriously amiss. I hate Starmer and co but you don't call GE's before you have to, especially with that kind of majority.
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Has anyone actually read this in the Sunday Times?

Or was it another piece of fake news?

I agree it makes no political sense at all. Labour can ride out the next 4 years and hope they can present themselves as having begun to tackle long standing problems with real solutions, rather than sticking plasters and false promises. They can stand back and let the Tories and Reform knock lumps out of each other. They might be forced to accept a coalition with the LibDems but I can see the strategy working.
 
Personally, like Matov was saying about Farage in an earlier thread, I agree with Musk on this.

I have differences with Robinson but he's a victim of political persecution and has been in jail a couple of times now out of pure deliberate spite.....born of both mainstream left and right wing parties in this country.....with the left and fake right wing media pushing and lying about him as well.

I mean they call this guy 'far right', when they know the truth is that aside from Islam the guy's a civic nationalist....Far more liberal than I am. But they don't want any grey areas so they just lie like the scum they are.

If other public figures were held to the same standards then our jails....well they can't cope as it is, thanks to chronic under investment amid massive and deliberate population increase.

If Farage doesn't end up changing his mind.....let's just say I won't lose sleep. People can vote for the future they want....they have buggered it up enough already.
 
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