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Plight of Farmers.

beak said:
So anyone with any wit will not be surprised when the La.bour movement F**k farmers and private schools, You kick my bollos and I will kick yours,it stands to reason, i'm a bit shocked that tories squeal like young piglets when they are shafted back.
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By your reasoning perhaps.

So it is sensible for the current government to seek revenge on farmers for something that happened in the eighties and put our food supply in danger by doing so?

No wonder they don't govern very often.

Do you remember the seventies and early eighties? It was a nightmare of industrial action and insane inflationary pay rises. Big unions had the pathetic socialist governments by the balls.

Now we have another pathetic Labour government, clearly happy to rob us all to please their paymasters.
 
My derisory comments on farmers earlier, were an attempt at humour. I have friends and neighbours who are arable framers and livestock farmers, so feel well acquainted with their plight.
Supermarkets distorting the market and paying poor prices to farmers is a massive problem.
Is it any wonder lots of farmers are applying for Planning Permission for their fields (for houses) and washing their hands of the industry. ?

Additional Government pressure at this stage is ludicrous.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
By your reasoning perhaps.

So it is sensible for the current government to seek revenge on farmers for something that happened in the eighties and put our food supply in danger by doing so?

No wonder they don't govern very often.

Do you remember the seventies and early eighties? It was a nightmare of industrial action and insane inflationary pay rises. Big unions had the pathetic socialist governments by the balls.

Now we have another pathetic Labour government, clearly happy to rob us all to please their paymasters.
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The seventies & eighties? Surely not when we were part of the EU wonderland of success and prosperity.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
My derisory comments on farmers earlier, were an attempt at humour. I have friends and neighbours who are arable framers and livestock farmers, so feel well acquainted with their plight.
Supermarkets distorting the market and paying poor prices to farmers is a massive problem.
Is it any wonder lots of farmers are applying for Planning Permission for their fields (for houses) and washing their hands of the industry. ?

Additional Government pressure at this stage is ludicrous.
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Yes, the attempt at humour wasn’t obvious to me at the time. The bullying of supermarkets on prices paid to farmers got so bad with milk at one point maybe all the farmers were making a loss because it was a loss leader on the shelves (sold at a loss to encourage customers in) so the supermarkets decided to pay the farmers below the production cost to improve the low supermarket margins.

But all this is more confusion to the idiots. They cannot cope with anything more than they should pay IHT because everyone else does and the farm should close because it obviously isn’t successful and/or it’s been in the family for decades or centuries and someone else should have a chance of owning it.
 
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Hrolf The Ganger said:
By your reasoning perhaps.

So it is sensible for the current government to seek revenge on farmers for something that happened in the eighties and put our food supply in danger by doing so?

No wonder they don't govern very often.

Do you remember the seventies and early eighties? It was a nightmare of industrial action and insane inflationary pay rises. Big unions had the pathetic socialist governments by the balls.

Now we have another pathetic Labour government, clearly happy to rob us all to please their paymasters.
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Now you seem to understand,better luck with the spelling.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
What a stupid comment. Arable farmers have a finite amount of land. I am sure they’re very busy at times like harvests etc and you probably have no idea what it’s like waking up at 4am or whatever it is and you probably don’t even know they do either. Farmers are now getting it from all angles, including leftie government and the small amount of the population who voted for them. Meanwhile in France… farmers don’t stand for this type of thing.
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maybe they should have voted for Brexit then, as advised by the NFU. It was always going to have an adverse impact, regardless of what Boris said.

From the outside looking in most farms require heavy subsides and grants to survive, however, their land continues to appreciate in value.

I don't see an issue with the larger ones having to pay a small % when both parents have died.
Everyone else has to pay it if their estate is above a certain value. And of course there are loads of legitimate loop holes that can be utilised e.g. gifting
 
NMPalace said:
maybe they should have voted for Brexit then, as advised by the NFU. It was always going to have an adverse impact, regardless of what Boris said.

From the outside looking in most farms require heavy subsides and grants to survive, however, their land continues to appreciate in value.

I don't see an issue with the larger ones having to pay a small % when both parents have died.
Everyone else has to pay it if their estate is above a certain value. And of course there are loads of legitimate loop holes that can be utilised e.g. gifting
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How many times?

Value of land is not profit. They cannot farm land that is sold to pay IHT. At 20% every generation it’ll all be gone and have to be sold off by 2 generations I expect.

I agree on IHT if the land is sold, but not sold because of a IHTax bill. What I mean by that is taxes when the next generation doesn’t want to be in the industry.

When large corporations buy some of the land for what is usually inferior produce there won’t be any IHT ever again because companies never pay it, obviously.
 
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Teddy Eagle said:
The seventies & eighties? Surely not when we were part of the EU wonderland of success and prosperity.
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Oh what? when we had those wonderful milk lakes and cheese, butter and beef mountains all stored away so the price could be kept artificially high by shortening the supply?

Then they gave some away/sold some off cheap before it all went rancid on them.......
 
becky said:
Oh what? when we had those wonderful milk lakes and cheese, butter and beef mountains all stored away so the price could be kept artificially high by shortening the supply?

Then they gave some away/sold some off cheap before it all went rancid on them.......
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And before we went rancid on them too.
 
There is nothing stopping this government or any other from offering incentives for farmers to focus on the country's needs. To some extent they do this already, whether it is organic farming or protecting wildlife or mass producing crops.

It is in the hands of politicians.
 
beak said:
Food supply danger is bollos, it is fabricated , import food as we have to do with coal.
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So you are happy to rely on other countries for our basic food supply.

I find that rather short sighted in an increasingly uncertain world.
 
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