So asking a select few farmers to pay some taxes we all have to pay, albeit at a significantly reduced rate (or none at all) should mean we’re blackmailed into a food crisis?
Yes, that seems a well measured and reasonable post.
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So asking a select few farmers to pay some taxes we all have to pay, albeit at a significantly reduced rate (or none at all) should mean we’re blackmailed into a food crisis?
Yes, that seems a well measured and reasonable post.
Rudi Hedman
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For how long have you ever got of bed at 5am and done 14 hour days at certain times of year? Never to both I expect.
Rudi Hedman
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You’re not getting this are you? They may or may not go on strike if that’s what you mean but, and this is the key point here, if the country relies solely on foreign food imports and there is a crisis such as war or drought etc, food prices either go through the roof or the food doesn’t come here or even exist to come here.
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Rudi Hedman
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A real shame we can’t divide the country up and put all the halfwits in their own quarter.
I thought must of them lived in central London. 😀
I can’t really fathom why you seem to think some people are worthy of avoiding tax and others aren’t.
Perhaps you should actually look at the proposed changes and how little a percentage of farmers it’ll impact.
FWIW I don’t think you’re a halfwit I just don’t get your arguments
Rudi Hedman
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They have underestimated how many farmers it’ll impact. If you don’t get it now you never will.
Wisbech Eagle
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I am not sure that’s true. I had dinner on Friday with a friend of mine who is seriously wealthy. She inherited from her husband who was obviously a successful businessman who gave big amounts to both children in time to avoid inheritance tax and the rest in a trust which is held by my friend but passes to them on her death. I don’t know how much is involved but the house is on the river and worth £2.5 million. Here in Cornwall! There are many millions in the trust and she is encouraged to spend in anyway she can. Charities do well.
The children though also got millions, have big houses of their own and investments. They have no need to work and don’t. They contribute nothing to society.
Is this right? I assume the money was taxed when earned but much of it was made abroad. They lived in the USA and the Caribbean for most of his business life.
There has to be a balance somewhere.
PalazioVecchio
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you know you are living in an insane World when your local shop is filled with produce grown on the other side of the planet.
And we can understand tropical stuff like bananas. What is truly insane is stuff like apples & New Zealand Lamb. Especially when you consider that Medieval Royal Courts kept moving around the country. Moving cos they would otherwise exhaust the local food supply.
the petrol age is insane. And when it ends, we are all doomed. Local farmers matter.
And we can understand tropical stuff like bananas. What is truly insane is stuff like apples & New Zealand Lamb. Especially when you consider that Medieval Royal Courts kept moving around the country. Moving cos they would otherwise exhaust the local food supply.
the petrol age is insane. And when it ends, we are all doomed. Local farmers matter.
cryrst
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Many thousands pay no tax and get free housing and other benefits. You know who they are but I don’t recall you on the threads complaining about that £4 billion a year. This tax on farmers won’t scratch that but your envy muscle will be fully exercised so you will feel good and warm inside. Like a bowl of readybrek does for you !!!
What does the welfare system have to do with parity on inheritance tax?
You seem to be incredibly confused.
Pawns.p*** is something else.
Rudi Hedman
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The failure to understand the flaws in the new employers NI policy and taxing IHT on farmers really highlights how stupid the new left really are. Oh well, I suppose they get to experience what they wished for once every generation.
Forest Hillbilly
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Farmers heading to Westminster today. Sadiq Khan must be filled with trepidation as to whether these rural-types are going through ULEZ zones, or going to stump up for the Congestion Charge.
And what about refuelling ? Are there any petrol station selling red diesel inside the M25 ? Farmers paying tax ? whatever next ? 😀
And what about refuelling ? Are there any petrol station selling red diesel inside the M25 ? Farmers paying tax ? whatever next ? 😀
Rudi Hedman
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Maybe them all actually managing to make a profit so they all survive. I don’t suppose you’re aware or you have completely forgotten the very low price setting by supermarkets that happens. Maybe they should all join forces and refuse the low price setting anymore, so you get to pay for their guaranteed survival directly instead.
Honestly, I probably shouldn’t be surprised at the low level of intelligence yesterday on X over this subject. It’s really quite incredible reading.
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Hrolf The Ganger
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A regrettable error, although the unions did get f***ed on that occasion.
silvertop
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Went for an early walk on Christmas Day a couple of years back and there they ere. Old, exhausted but still tending to their cattle and trying to muck out an existence, perpetually on the margins of survival and collapse.
Unfortunately, there are also those who have acquired farmland and describe themselves as "farmers" when they are anything but. The only reason they ever visit the country is to blow wildlife out of the sky. People I would have thought there was little sympathy on here for and who none of you would care a jot if they were taxed to penury.
Trouble is, I am not sure that this sort of tax change can be sufficiently surgical to target such people. What if such wealthy types buy-out distressed farms and turn them around? What if their purchase leads to greater re-wilding and biodiversity? Who cares if they also benefit from a tax loophole if it improves the lives and environment of the country.
Problem is, how do you distinguish between the genuine investor and the remote tax dodger?
Oh, if I was pressed on whether i think this policy is largely ideology - yup. And will it reap any substantive gains to close the hole - nope.
Unfortunately, there are also those who have acquired farmland and describe themselves as "farmers" when they are anything but. The only reason they ever visit the country is to blow wildlife out of the sky. People I would have thought there was little sympathy on here for and who none of you would care a jot if they were taxed to penury.
Trouble is, I am not sure that this sort of tax change can be sufficiently surgical to target such people. What if such wealthy types buy-out distressed farms and turn them around? What if their purchase leads to greater re-wilding and biodiversity? Who cares if they also benefit from a tax loophole if it improves the lives and environment of the country.
Problem is, how do you distinguish between the genuine investor and the remote tax dodger?
Oh, if I was pressed on whether i think this policy is largely ideology - yup. And will it reap any substantive gains to close the hole - nope.
silvertop
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Drafted largely by urbanites whose knowledge of the country is what they see out of an inter-city train window on the way to another urban settlement.
So anyone with any wit will not be surprised when the Labour movement F**k farmers and private schools, You kick my bollos and I will kick yours,it stands to reason, i'm a bit shocked that tories squeal like young piglets when they are shafted back.
Yup revenge and partisanship is a great way to heal the country. So you wont complain when Trump does the same.