Plight of Farmers.

[Wisbech Eagle]

It is very hard to find data on farm values. So let’s say you are correct and that figure is out of date. We have the current average from Government statistics. The average is just over £2m, well below the £3m figure. Look up farms for sale online. I just found 1,923 for up to £1m, £2,757 for up to £3m (834 extra) and 296 for over £3m which is less than 10%. Happy now?

It’s very unusual to see such common sense here and very welcome in the swamp of misinformation and bias that is the normal environment.

We have seen “protests” locally by farmers who could not possibly be impacted by these changes. Which only goes to prove how widespread the misunderstanding is and how the wealthy landowners are whipping up their tenants.

When the right wing townies on here then respond because of encouragement from the usual suspects in the press all they are doing is confirming their gullibility.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Silly abuse tells me i'm winning the argument.

Criticism is not abuse.

Your defence of this attack on farming tells us all we need to know about you.

You are defending an ideological policy which you have admitted is political in motivation.
You cannot now argue that it is about reducing the 'black hole'.

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

Firstly, let me say I'm not going to get into the discussion about the financial implications of the measures Reeves wants to impose on farmers. I'll leave that to others.

I live in rural West Sussex in a highly farmed area. The roads round here are awash with tractors and all manner of farming equipment the whole year round. If they're not sowing and planting they're harvesting. I speak to many of them in the local and all I can say is that farmers are very pleasant folk who work bloomin' hard most days of the year (not a four day week) in all weathers to produce the stuff we eat every day. We need our farmers more than many other trades and industries.

Farmers are under huge pressures most of us can't even imagine, and they need support and encouragement not limitations, restrictions and financial penalties. Unfortunately this Labour government appears prepared to sacrifice the rural community in order to bolster areas where they have larger swathes of supporters.

 

[Jacey]

Firstly, let me say I'm not going to get into the discussion about the financial implications of the measures Reeves wants to impose on farmers. I'll leave that to others.

I live in rural West Sussex in a highly farmed area. The roads round here are awash with tractors and all manner of farming equipment the whole year round. If they're not sowing and planting they're harvesting. I speak to many of them in the local and all I can say is that farmers are very pleasant folk who work bloomin' hard most days of the year (not a four day week) in all weathers to produce the stuff we eat every day. We need our farmers more than many other trades and industries.

Farmers are under huge pressures most of us can't even imagine, and they need support and encouragement not limitations, restrictions and financial penalties. Unfortunately this Labour government appears prepared to sacrifice the rural community in order to bolster areas where they have larger swathes of supporters.

 

[Jacey]

And many who have decided to live a lifetime on benefits and others seeking to work a four day week!!

 

[Rudi Hedman]

And many who have decided to live a lifetime on benefits and others seeking to work a four day week!!

Luxury communism destination.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Criticism is not abuse.

Your defence of this attack on farming tells us all we need to know about you.

You are defending an ideological policy which you have admitted is political in motivation.
You cannot now argue that it is about reducing the 'black hole'.

It apparently affects very few, just like axing the WFA, and therefore raises very little, so what’s the point?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

It apparently affects very few, just like axing the WFA, and therefore raises very little, so what’s the point?

It makes no sense on any level.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

It is very hard to find data on farm values. So let’s say you are correct and that figure is out of date. We have the current average from Government statistics. The average is just over £2m, well below the £3m figure. Look up farms for sale online. I just found 1,923 for up to £1m, £2,757 for up to £3m (834 extra) and 296 for over £3m which is less than 10%. Happy now?

Much confusion over how many farms it’ll affect, so there’s calls for an investigation. What hadn’t been considered is that the larger the farm, the more it is likely to produce and is therefore under threat if they decide to sell and/or call it a day on producing food.

Confusion over how many farms hit by tractor tax after ‘staggering’ admission

Critics argue that Defra figures suggest Treasury claims that only 28 per cent of farms will be affected are wrong

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Mapletree]

Much confusion over how many farms it’ll affect, so there’s calls for an investigation. What hadn’t been considered is that the larger the farm, the more it is likely to produce and is therefore under threat if they decide to sell and/or call it a day on producing food.

Confusion over how many farms hit by tractor tax after ‘staggering’ admission

Critics argue that Defra figures suggest Treasury claims that only 28 per cent of farms will be affected are wrong

www.independent.co.uk

Who tells you that, or anything else, hasn’t been considered. Why would farmland be removed from agriculture? Planning permission for change of use would not be forthcoming. The only current issue is fields of solar panels, which is a major debate.

 

[Dubai Eagle]

It’s very unusual to see such common sense here and very welcome in the swamp of misinformation and bias that is the normal environment.

We have seen “protests” locally by farmers who could not possibly be impacted by these changes. Which only goes to prove how widespread the misunderstanding is and how the wealthy landowners are whipping up their tenants.

When the right wing townies on here then respond because of encouragement from the usual suspects in the press all they are doing is confirming their gullibility.

Could it be that farmers who have not been impacted this time around are protesting because they are concerned that this is just the thin end of the wedge, changes in impacted thresholds & %ages may follow in future budgets.

 

[Mapletree]

It makes no sense on any level.

It makes huge sense. Stop farming being a tax haven. Get land into the hands of next generation farmers. Get a big tax take from the top end of inherited farms. What is there to understand?

The latest figures show that the top 7% (the largest 117 APR claims) account for 40% of the total value of agricultural property relief. This costs the taxpayer £219mn. The top 2% of claims (37 claims) account for 22% of agricultural property relief, costing £119mn.

 

[Mapletree]

Firstly, let me say I'm not going to get into the discussion about the financial implications of the measures Reeves wants to impose on farmers. I'll leave that to others.

I live in rural West Sussex in a highly farmed area. The roads round here are awash with tractors and all manner of farming equipment the whole year round. If they're not sowing and planting they're harvesting. I speak to many of them in the local and all I can say is that farmers are very pleasant folk who work bloomin' hard most days of the year (not a four day week) in all weathers to produce the stuff we eat every day. We need our farmers more than many other trades and industries.

Farmers are under huge pressures most of us can't even imagine, and they need support and encouragement not limitations, restrictions and financial penalties. Unfortunately this Labour government appears prepared to sacrifice the rural community in order to bolster areas where they have larger swathes of supporters.

I agree. The BPS replacements need sorting out and we must have a more long term approach. I don’t see any sacrificing of farmers though. £3m worth of farm isn’t generally passed to hard working farmers. Rather to rich landowners. Those that study REALM and don’t give a monkeys how the land is used as long as it makes money. Let’s release some land to those who will be our future.

 

[georgenorman]

It makes huge sense. Stop farming being a tax haven. Get land into the hands of next generation farmers. Get a big tax take from the top end of inherited farms. What is there to understand?

The latest figures show that the top 7% (the largest 117 APR claims) account for 40% of the total value of agricultural property relief. This costs the taxpayer £219mn. The top 2% of claims (37 claims) account for 22% of agricultural property relief, costing £119mn.

Yes, just eliminate them as a class - as people like-minded to you did to the Kulaks in Soviet Russia.

 

[Mapletree]

Yes, just eliminate them as a class - as people like-minded to you did to the Kulaks in Soviet Russia.

Who?

I am pro farmer. I want to see more of them.

 

[Willo]

Labour do not understand the countryside.
Their disconnect with the countryside means they have a skewed view of farmers.
I stand 'Four-Square' in my wellies behind the farmers.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

It makes huge sense. Stop farming being a tax haven. Get land into the hands of next generation farmers. Get a big tax take from the top end of inherited farms. What is there to understand?

The latest figures show that the top 7% (the largest 117 APR claims) account for 40% of the total value of agricultural property relief. This costs the taxpayer £219mn. The top 2% of claims (37 claims) account for 22% of agricultural property relief, costing £119mn.

Was the pond full today?

£219million is nothing.

How much does housing illegals cost? How much has Comrade Starmer's overseas trips cost so far?
What about the train driver's ridiculous pay rise?

 

[Mapletree]

Was the pond full today?

£219million is nothing.

How much does housing illegals cost? How much has Comrade Starmer's overseas trips cost so far?
What about the train driver's ridiculous pay rise?

Which one? Thornton Heath hasn't had water for many years.

You misread my post.

The Treasury estimate is £520m per annum.

In any case, there are other issues at hand. Specifically how do young people get into farming when the rich buy land just for tax reasons.

In 2013 Jeremy Clarkson wrote: Land is a better investment than any bank can offer. The Government doesn’t get any of my money when I die.

Perhaps we need a Farm Service Agency like in the US to enable better access for the less established. At the moment they are blocked out. Average age 59 surely tells a story. There's a lot of change happening in climate, politics and technology. Farming isn't keeping up too well overall.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Which one? Thornton Heath hasn't had water for many years.

You misread my post.

The Treasury estimate is £520m per annum.

In any case, there are other issues at hand. Specifically how do young people get into farming when the rich buy land just for tax reasons.

In 2013 Jeremy Clarkson wrote: Land is a better investment than any bank can offer. The Government doesn’t get any of my money when I die.

Perhaps we need a Farm Service Agency like in the US to enable better access for the less established. At the moment they are blocked out. Average age 59 surely tells a story. There's a lot of change happening in climate, politics and technology. Farming isn't keeping up too well overall.

£520m is nothing.

The rich always buy land. I would suggest ensuring that any farm land acquired is producing a given amount of crops. If it isn't then apply penalties.

Are you seriously asking us to believe that Reeves is doing this because she is worried about food production because of the lack of available farm land?

It is about socialist ideals, not sense. What they make from this will support the NHS for about 2 days.

 

[Willo]

£520m is nothing.

The rich always buy land. I would suggest ensuring that any farm land acquired is producing a given amount of crops. If it isn't then apply penalties.

Are you seriously asking us to believe that Reeves is doing this because she is worried about food production because of the lack of available farm land?

It is about socialist ideals, not sense. What they make from this will support the NHS for about 2 days.

Labour’s figures which they are using to try and justify this hogwash simply don’t add up. While the Treasury claims that only a quarter of farms will be affected, the DEFRA figures contradict this, showing it to be around two thirds of farms.
It is deeply concerning that the Chancellor has announced this Budget measure without seeming to check whether the figures used by the Treasury are accurate.