Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

mtp1958 said:
a very very different scenario to ours as she went to court of human rights , we cant lol
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Agreed but it does mean that CAS can be overturned albeit in very limited circumstances.

I suppose the players and manager could argue that their Human Rights were breached by not allowing them to compete in a tournament, clutching at straws I know but football and the law often clash with football losing a lot of the time.
 
Badger11 said:
Agreed but it does mean that CAS can be overturned albeit in very limited circumstances.

I suppose the players and manager could argue that their Human Rights were breached by not allowing them to compete in a tournament, clutching at straws I know but football and the law often clash with football losing a lot of the time.
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Also if SP (the club) weren't seen to be doing everything they can to overturn this injustice then people would be thinking that the club wasn't committed enough to fight it, almost an admission of guilt

(I fully believe that it is an injustice , not so much because we are completely blameless in this - at least at March 1st - but because the punishment really doesn't fit the crime)

I think UEFA came to the ruling that they came to because they wanted to be seen to be doing their job, they focussed on the letter of the law almost 100% secure in the knowledge that Palace would appeal to CAS, after that if CAS are the ones saying it wasnt fair & correct, then UEFA have a get out clause in any backlash coming from Forest.
 
PatrickA said:
Even if we were deemed to be in breach back in the spring we are not in breach now, and crucially a ball has not been kicked in the competition yet so there is no possibility of a conflict once the competition starts.
If the authorities continue to find against Palace they will be punishing us for an offence that it's not possible to commit.

I'm taking a pragmatic view, which doesn't mean UEFA will if they determine to kick us for a so called technical breach back in March, around 5 months before the competition even starts.

If the case does go to CAS one has to assume that the intervention from Ceferin (which Parish hoped for) has failed to materialise.

I'm jumping ahead here, but if CAS do find against us I wonder if Palace can or will bring a legal action.
The club could certainly demonstrate that there would a loss of revenue as a direct result of relegation to the Conference League.
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Just need to hope that they buy this, added to the fact that for cup entrants, the 1st March deadline is near impossible to meet.
 
mtp1958 said:
a very very different scenario to ours as she went to court of human rights , we cant lol
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What we can do, though, is sue UEFA for gross negligence, which would be based upon their refusal to conduct any MCO investigations from the 1st of March onwards. After all UEFA has stated that was why the date was brought forwards to allow the CFCB to conduct its investigations into all clubs that have MCO issues, but where is the evidence of any investigation? They just chose to react to issues as they arose!
 
While all this rumbles on Palace will still be in the Conference cup I presume. That is, taking part in a competition that the club was demoted to by UEFA, rather than the Europa League competition the club was originally meant to enter via winning the FA cup, and which the club is now in legal dispute about? What if Palace is successful with its dispute claim? Both competitions will be underway by then one can imagine, what happens then?
There must be a time frame in which the case is heard and concluded?
I don't disagree with Parish's decision to litigate, if his legal team has said there's merit in the case then go for it - I just don't want it to provide unwanted distraction as I think if we keep the cup winning side together we have a decent chance to push on in the league.
 
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Badger11 said:
If it goes against us I would not be in the least surprise that in 1 or 2 years time (too bloody late) Lyon and Forest are found guilty of all sorts of naughties covering this time period and should have been the ones punished not us.
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And if that happens we should sue both the club(s) and UEFA
 
Palace in the Blood said:
No if CAS find against us that's end of matter and is binding on all parties. If CAS find in our favour then it is possible (but very unlikely) due to costs of delay on our recruitment and sales etc. It is possible that UEFA may offer as a sweetener to not to go to CAS stay in conference and have some compensation.
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UEFA offering us compensation would not happen. To do so is an admission of wrong doing.
 
Inquisitive Aquila said:
I see that we are not listed on the updated hearings list from CAS last Friday.
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Thats because we haven't appealed yet. Palace's lawyers (if any good) would have strongly advised against appealing until they have the full list of reasons why UEFA have excluded us. We didn't get that until Friday. I imagine they'll have been pouring over it this weekend and an appeal will be lodged early this week. And it will be fast tracked and prioritized due to the time constraints of the start of the competition.
But...with any luck Palace's lawyers might find something thats a slam dunk such as alleged private emails between UEFA and Forest or a glaring discrepancy in their rules, etc. Unlikely I know but if they did it would be presented to UEFA with a polite demand. Let our client back in and we'll drop the appeal or we go ahead, we win and then we come after you for compensation.
That would save a lot of time and money and would be Palace's favoured outcome.
 
Ex Dubai Eagle said:
Also if SP (the club) weren't seen to be doing everything they can to overturn this injustice then people would be thinking that the club wasn't committed enough to fight it, almost an admission of guilt

(I fully believe that it is an injustice , not so much because we are completely blameless in this - at least at March 1st - but because the punishment really doesn't fit the crime)

I think UEFA came to the ruling that they came to because they wanted to be seen to be doing their job, they focussed on the letter of the law almost 100% secure in the knowledge that Palace would appeal to CAS, after that if CAS are the ones saying it wasnt fair & correct, then UEFA have a get out clause in any backlash coming from Forest.
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Yes the great thing about this going to CAS is they are legally binding, independant and globally recognised. This means Forest will have zero comeback or grounds to appeal. The decision handed down by CAS is final.
 
I have found this whole Europa mess a tiresome diversion from what should have been a glorious celebration of pre season matches and preparation after our Cup victory.

Assuming we end up competing in the Conference, I just hope we make good progress and don't get knocked out in the early stages because, if we flounder, the press and other team's fans will have a field day taking the michael.

It'll be a great shame if, after winning the Cup, we end up being the brunt of other folks mockery. So, I hope we knock the socks off whatever competition we're in.
 
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