Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

Northern Panda said:
I'm getting the feeling that this is more about getting Textor, out of controlling Lyon and being a thorn in UEFA's side, than multi club ownership. It's been known that owner of PSG and Textor have clashed repeatedly over TV rights and UEFA listen to PSG. Who wouldn't? Unfortunately we're the scapegoats in this. I'd rather we win the Conference League and sue UEFA than fail in the Europa
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I’d rather fail at everything if we are given a chance to try at what should be rightfully ours.
 
I saw that HITC YouTube yesterday detailing the subject. He pointed out that there has absolutely been no sharing of employees, assets or players between Palace and Lyon.
Well... That's not quite true is it. We sold Jake O'Brien to them for a paltry one million pounds.
I hope this doesn't come back to bite us.

Also if anybody at CAS should be reading this please ignore this 👆
 
crvenaeagle said:
I saw that HITC YouTube yesterday detailing the subject. He pointed out that there has absolutely been no sharing of employees, assets or players between Palace and Lyon.
Well... That's not quite true is it. We sold Jake O'Brien to them for a paltry one million pounds.
I hope this doesn't come back to bite us.

Also if anybody at CAS should be reading this please ignore this 👆
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Weren't there also a couple of loans ?

(Sorry I forget the details -Plange to Moolenbeek ? maybe + someone else)
 
if CAS works the same as most tribunals be it for sport (CAS is a sporting tribunal not just for football) so nothing todo with UEFA.

First Stage should be a pre meeting , were the court will say which evidence is reelevate which is not , this is were they find out if the emails are reelevate , they will listen to all arguments why and why not it should be in or out . these are short as your not proving your case at the pre meeting .

Then it goes to the main event , were the panel will play devils advocate , both sides need to prove there case not just us and only with the evidence agreed at pre meeting ,

hope this is of some help
 
crvenaeagle said:
I saw that HITC YouTube yesterday detailing the subject. He pointed out that there has absolutely been no sharing of employees, assets or players between Palace and Lyon.
Well... That's not quite true is it. We sold Jake O'Brien to them for a paltry one million pounds.
I hope this doesn't come back to bite us.

Also if anybody at CAS should be reading this please ignore this 👆
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Paltry?

He was never in a match day squad, wasn't looking that way and he wanted out. They needed a centre back.

Are you suggesting that we can't trade with them? Does this mean we're in Chelsea's MCO?
 
mtp1958 said:
if CAS works the same as most tribunals be it for sport (CAS is a sporting tribunal not just for football) so nothing todo with UEFA.

First Stage should be a pre meeting , were the court will say which evidence is reelevate which is not , this is were they find out if the emails are reelevate , they will listen to all arguments why and why not it should be in or out . these are short as your not proving your case at the pre meeting .

Then it goes to the main event , were the panel will play devils advocate , both sides need to prove there case not just us and only with the evidence agreed at pre meeting ,

hope this is of some help
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CAS is a court of law so I guess there are 2 main aspects that we need to know about how they will proceed.

1. What do the rules say. (obvious).
2. (More important) Will CAS allow evidence that UEFA have not treated us fairly e.g. they enforce the rules with us but not with others?
 
Badger11 said:
CAS is a court of law so I guess there are 2 main aspects that we need to know about how they will proceed.

1. What do the rules say. (obvious).
2. (More important) Will CAS allow evidence that UEFA have not treated us fairly e.g. they enforce the rules with us but not with others?
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thats what the pre meeting is for , i have been involved 4 tribunals and watched 2 , all have pre meeting , were the case gets slimmed down so only proven facts are used , as i said before pre meetings are to remove unnecessary evidence , its never black and white

also answer to point 2 is yes if its deemed reelevate , which it is , as there is a clear point that UEFA are inconsonant with there own rule
 
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Eaglecoops said:
This is kind of what I was alluding to. We get punished for doing exactly the same as Lyon, ie neither party applies for blind trust but they get no punishment because they finished higher in their league.

I guess that the counter argument to this is that ours is not a punishment but just a measure to stop both having a chance to play one another in the same league. Feels like and is a punishment however.
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The rules don't outlaw MCOs. They seek to prevent conflict or perceived conflict within a particular competition.

Even if we did breach the rules we have done nothing "wrong" worthy of punishment. The rules merely remove one team to avoid conflict.
 
silvertop said:
The rules don't outlaw MCOs. They seek to prevent conflict or perceived conflict within a particular competition.

Even if we did breach the rules we have done nothing "wrong" worthy of punishment. The rules merely remove one team to avoid conflict.
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Even if we were deemed to be in breach back in the spring we are not in breach now, and crucially a ball has not been kicked in the competition yet so there is no possibility of a conflict once the competition starts.
If the authorities continue to find against Palace they will be punishing us for an offence that it's not possible to commit.

I'm taking a pragmatic view, which doesn't mean UEFA will if they determine to kick us for a so called technical breach back in March, around 5 months before the competition even starts.

If the case does go to CAS one has to assume that the intervention from Ceferin (which Parish hoped for) has failed to materialise.

I'm jumping ahead here, but if CAS do find against us I wonder if Palace can or will bring a legal action.
The club could certainly demonstrate that there would a loss of revenue as a direct result of relegation to the Conference League.
 
PatrickA said:
Even if we were deemed to be in breach back in the spring we are not in breach now, and crucially a ball has not been kicked in the competition yet so there is no possibility of a conflict once the competition starts.
If the authorities continue to find against Palace they will be punishing us for an offence that it's not possible to commit.

I'm taking a pragmatic view, which doesn't mean UEFA will if they determine to kick us for a so called technical breach back in March, around 5 months before the competition even starts.

If the case does go to CAS one has to assume that the intervention from Ceferin (which Parish hoped for) has failed to materialise.

I'm jumping ahead here, but if CAS do find against us I wonder if Palace can or will bring a legal action.
The club could certainly demonstrate that there would a loss of revenue as a direct result of relegation to the Conference League.
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No if CAS find against us that's end of matter and is binding on all parties. If CAS find in our favour then it is possible (but very unlikely) due to costs of delay on our recruitment and sales etc. It is possible that UEFA may offer as a sweetener to not to go to CAS stay in conference and have some compensation.
 
PatrickA said:
Even if we were deemed to be in breach back in the spring we are not in breach now, and crucially a ball has not been kicked in the competition yet so there is no possibility of a conflict once the competition starts.
If the authorities continue to find against Palace they will be punishing us for an offence that it's not possible to commit.

I'm taking a pragmatic view, which doesn't mean UEFA will if they determine to kick us for a so called technical breach back in March, around 5 months before the competition even starts.

If the case does go to CAS one has to assume that the intervention from Ceferin (which Parish hoped for) has failed to materialise.

I'm jumping ahead here, but if CAS do find against us I wonder if Palace can or will bring a legal action.
The club could certainly demonstrate that there would a loss of revenue as a direct result of relegation to the Conference League.
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simple answer no as its binding , and who ever we go to will back CAS ruling
 
Palace in the Blood said:
No if CAS find against us that's end of matter and is binding on all parties. If CAS find in our favour then it is possible (but very unlikely) due to costs of delay on our recruitment and sales etc. It is possible that UEFA may offer as a sweetener to not to go to CAS stay in conference and have some compensation.
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I hope they do and put it in righting , then go thank you and take as evidence of UEFA guilt , I'm cruel like that lol
 
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