Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

[pssguy]

Unfortunately we've been done by off field rules, again, to rightfully hold our place in Europe. Heysel aftermath first and this UEFA debacle. Luckily this time we are not totally out of the pot. The current UEFA rules in relation to our predicament lack flexibility in relation to a club like us, who were in multi ownership. In March we were in the 4th round of the Cup and all eyes on Doncaster not Citeh. So either a move of the date further back or no multi ownership. Due to the timeframes here we have no chance of UEFA reversing this decision as it took an eternity for them to unravel this situation previously. However when all is said and done, go to the BBC FA Cup tab and watch around 6 minutes of pure delight in our club's history. South London n proud. COYP !!

CAS can act quickly. They confirmed the Drogheda expulsion 11 days after UEFA's decision

 

[HeathMan]

Id be happy with a trip to any of those places, even Dundee United. 🫰
Mind you, the language barrier would be set high 😁

Providing you gargle (and do swallow) with whisky you should be able to be understood. Good luck.

 

[martinelliff]

David Blitzer - 25% voting power at Palace - no decisive influence.

John Textor - 25% voting power at Palace - decisive influence.

But there is no such thing as decisive influence in their article 5 rules. It says if you have any shares, management or administrative involvement in both clubs. Blitzer dies, as does Textor. They can't say one thing for the Europa and different for Conference. We either stay in Europa or out altogether. This difference in application of the rules should actually help our case. I am assuming the Conference option is a fudge bribe to try and avoid Palace going to CAS, unless there is some rule that means we can both play each other in the Conference. If so should we meet Brondby they should let us win 100- nil to show UEFA what a farce the rules are.

 

[NEILLO]

But there is no such thing as decisive influence in their article 5 rules. It says if you have any shares, management or administrative involvement in both clubs. Blitzer dies, as does Textor. They can't say one thing for the Europa and different for Conference. We either stay in Europa or out altogether. This difference in application of the rules should actually help our case. I am assuming the Conference option is a fudge bribe to try and avoid Palace going to CAS, unless there is some rule that means we can both play each other in the Conference. If so should we meet Brondby they should let us win 100- nil to show UEFA what a farce the rules are.

The Drogheda case looked like a slam dunk breach and yet it went to CAS and one person voted in their favour.

 

[ASCPFC]

Whatever

 

[Teddy Eagle]

But there is no such thing as decisive influence in their article 5 rules. It says if you have any shares, management or administrative involvement in both clubs. Blitzer dies, as does Textor. They can't say one thing for the Europa and different for Conference. We either stay in Europa or out altogether. This difference in application of the rules should actually help our case. I am assuming the Conference option is a fudge bribe to try and avoid Palace going to CAS, unless there is some rule that means we can both play each other in the Conference. If so should we meet Brondby they should let us win 100- nil to show UEFA what a farce the rules are.

Probably wrong but I think it's 30% share ownership which is the cut-off? Blitzer has 18% while Textor had over 40%.

 

[ASCPFC]

s*** referee

 

[crvenaeagle]

Probably wrong but I think it's 30% share ownership which is the cut-off? Blitzer has 18% while Textor had over 40%.

But I thought it was Eagle Holdings that has the 43%, of which Textor owns 51%?
I'm paraphrasing so that may not be totally correct.

 

[Spiderman]

But I thought it was Eagle Holdings that has the 43%, of which Textor owns 51%?
I'm paraphrasing so that may not be totally correct.

That was my understanding as well.

 

[martinelliff]

But I thought it was Eagle Holdings that has the 43%, of which Textor owns 51%?
I'm paraphrasing so that may not be totally correct.

There is no mention of percentages or decisive control in article 5. It's any involvement that creates a breach. Its irrelevant anyway. Our only arguement is that the date thong is unfair and we have rectified the situation by textor selling up. Depends if CAS say date applies and was fair.

 

[samprior]

There is no mention of percentages or decisive control in article 5. It's any involvement that creates a breach. Its irrelevant anyway. Our only arguement is that the date thong is unfair and we have rectified the situation by textor selling up. Depends if CAS say date applies and was fair.

If true that then makes their allowance of us to compete against Brondby in the Conference League farcical. And like others have said strengthens out case overall. UEFA appear to have no idea what they're doing.

Utterly
Embarrassing
Football
Association

 

[Palacesince64]

There is no mention of percentages or decisive control in article 5. It's any involvement that creates a breach. Its irrelevant anyway. Our only arguement is that the date thong is unfair and we have rectified the situation by textor selling up. Depends if CAS say date applies and was fair.

I assume UEFA decided they couldn’t ban us from the Conference as we were not in it in the first place and therefore Blitzer couldn’t be expected to place his shares in trust. Any conflict was created by UEFA themselves.

 

[Part Time James]

I assume UEFA decided they couldn’t ban us from the Conference as we were not in it in the first place and therefore Blitzer couldn’t be expected to place his shares in trust. Any conflict was created by UEFA themselves.

That's actually quite benevolent of them!

Unilaterally
Encouraging
Football
Achievements

 

[Teddy Eagle]

There is no mention of percentages or decisive control in article 5. It's any involvement that creates a breach. Its irrelevant anyway. Our only arguement is that the date thong is unfair and we have rectified the situation by textor selling up. Depends if CAS say date applies and was fair.

The percentage came from an article on ESPN. Where they got it from I don't know and of course they could be wrong too.

John Textor, the majority owner and chairman of Eagle Football Holdings, has a 77% stake in Lyon but also owns 43.9% of Palace. UEFA's regulations take issue with any dual holding above 30%, though Palace argued that Textor had no role in the running of the Premier League club.

 

[Jason Smith]

Thanks Mr Smith. I think you've added a lot to the debate. But your very first post is the one that I keep thinking back to.

Which stated that UEFA and the French League wanted Textor gone from French and European football. It was personal.

I think there is a truth in that and it has succeeded. And Palace are just collateral damage with everything else a smokescreen.

I agree with others that it does look like the UEFA statement is almost a suggestion that Palace should appeal. The only thing that is a slight worry is that Parish is only considering it. He's not done it.

Perhaps because he wants the sale to Johnson to go through so that can be presented as part of the appeal from the outset. Or perhaps because if the UEFA president stops the circus now he'll have more time to rescue the transfer window and waiting for the CAS decision prevents the chance of upgrading the squad.

As it stands with our current squad / transfer window we still have a good chance of winning the Conference. While we do need to invest substantially to do well in the Europa league and have an ok premier league season.

I also appreciate your comments.

 

[edskan]

Unapologetically
Exploiting
Financial
Advantages

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Viciously
Kicking
Us
In
The
Cobblers
(I don't understand how acronyms work).

 

[Part Time James]

Viciously
Kicking
Us
In
The
Cobblers
(I don't understand how acronyms work).

Acceptably
Criticising
Rubbish
Organisations
Naturally
You
Might
Say

 

[Willo]

On this demotion to the Conference League I was engaged in conversation last night over a tipple or two.
Suffice to say my oratory was fed into the spin dryer of vitriolic commentary, my opinions expressed in an unvarnished manner.
The coarsening of discourse by 'Yours Truly' was very much in evidence and I will refrain from repeating the profanity on HOL !

 

[Part Time James]

On this demotion to the Conference League I was engaged in conversation last night over a tipple or two.
Suffice to say my oratory was fed into the spin dryer of vitriolic commentary, my opinions expressed in an unvarnished manner.
The coarsening of discourse by 'Yours Truly' was very much in evidence and I will refrain from repeating the profanity on HOL !

Oh go on Willo, indulge in a big juicy barrage of profanity for us? I'm sure the admins will understand.