Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

[silvertop]

No if Lyon are out we are in because there will be no club to have any conflict of ownership with

Well that goes back to my letter v spirit point above.

Letter - we're out. Rule flouted as in March. Post events irrelevant. Everyone knew the rules.

Spirit - we're in. No actual control or influence in either club as of now; genuine and practical efforts made by both clubs to avoid conflict; and no danger the peril the rule was designed to prevent is either present or even perceived to be present.

We'll see.

 

[Palace in the Blood]

Time to go to court of arbitration now, part of claim being we can not plan for new season because of delays. The delays are unreasonable in circumstances, considering other party has been relegated, plus Textor has sold shares (binding agreement) and he never had day to day control of crystal palace.
We should be claiming a recompense payment of approx 200 million irrespective of if we are finally admitted. It is time to take offensive

 

[Common Sense Club]

The players return for pre-season this week. Early August and it all starts again.
This situation must be causing all sorts of problems on the transfer front. OG made it very clear how important it is to get business done early even in a normal season. If we don’t lose anyone the squad is just about OK for league duty , add a European campaign in and no it’s not. Can’t blame the club for holding tight, it’s a mess.

Agreed. If the squad stays the same then we have a decent enough team to compete in the Premier League...not sure if this is possible, but Palace should put an embargo on all player sales until the January window. Those that want to leave can be told they can do so in January, by which time we will either be competing in the Europa League or not, If we are in the Europa League then that may encourage potential leavers to stay. If we aren't, then hopefully our team strength will have ensured that we are comfortable with a reasonable Premier League position. But maybe my suggestion would breach some employment law...

 

[Jason Smith]

Can't disagree

Though it could be cowardice. Because of their bad rules they don't want to have to adjudicate on Palace where they will either have to admit they have it wrong or have the case decided by CAS and risk the possibility of them ruling against UEFA. If Lyon are relegated they are off the hook.

And by kicking the can down the road Textor's sale of Palace may have already been completed by the time the French have worked through their appeals process. Now Textor has resigned that might be in Lyon's favour in getting reinstated.

But if by then Textor has zero shares at Palace, or any control at Lyon, it would be bizarre (but not unlike UEFA) to not admit us. In which case our CAS appeal would have to be quick.

Whatever, it messes up our summer transfer business. We know Oliver does not like that!

It also messes up our ability to market the club. 'Toxic' Textor should be required to wear a big health warning notice dangling from his miserable neck!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

No if Lyon are out we are in because there will be no club to have any conflict of ownership with

That’s what I said, but putting the other way around.

 

[StandbyPalace]

It also messes up our ability to market the club. 'Toxic' Textor should be required to wear a big health warning notice dangling from his miserable neck!

Toxic Textor gets Lyon relegated and potentially Palace kicked out of the the Europa league. Avoid!

 

[Eagleman13]

Enfoncez votre trophée dans votre cul, bande de salauds ciseleurs

OH, frommage frey

 

[Jason Smith]

No he is buying Lyons ice cream shares 🤐

Yep, I just spotted Steve queuing up at the ice-cream stand down in Eastbourne!

 

[so many memories]

Should tell em to go f*** themselves. Also tell the F.A we won't be competing in your s*** knock out cup and if you want original trophy back go swivel. 😂🖕

 

[pssguy]

Time for the FA and our Government to turn on the afterburners. This isn’t just Palace. It’s English football being mistreated.

You can be sure Starmer would already be at it if Arsenal were involved

 

[cardiff eagle]

I know it’s just chat gpt but asked it to look at the corresponding Lyon forums to see how they felt their chances of success at appeal were. It doesn’t make great reading.

 

[Jason Smith]

Toxic Textor gets Lyon relegated and potentially Palace kicked out of the the Europa league. Avoid!

And now that we're part of this weird and wonderful world of 'Alice in Euro land', let us all make sure that our future comments are completely bilingual:
Toxic Textor entraîne la relégation de Lyon et potentiellement l'expulsion de Palace de la Ligue Europa. À éviter!

By the way, in case you think it's a typo, I left the 'P' out of Alice, deliberately.

 

[silvertop]

I know it’s just chat gpt but asked it to look at the corresponding Lyon forums to see how they felt their chances of success at appeal were. It doesn’t make great reading. View attachment 1416View attachment 1417

The irony could, of course, be that:

- Lyon escape relegation partly by Textor selling his Palace shares
- Lyon admitted to Europa League as a consequence
- Rule breach cured by said sale of shares...
- But not on the right date - Palace excluded.

 

[Eaglecoops]

This is the way I see it and it should be considered against a background of what UEFA are trying to stop in the first place, which is the opportunity to corrupt the result of a match due to a decisive influence at multiple clubs. I do not know whether the burden of proof is on UEFA to prove an owner has the potential to be corrupt at a particular club or whether the club has to prove that their ownership model prevents such a situation occurring.

I cannot find an answer to this.

There are four distinct points in play.

1) Lyon in or out? From what I have read they will only definitely be out of the Europa League if they are relegated. If they are relegated then this is the best possible scenario for UEFA as they will not have to make any decisions relative to Palace, as any potential conflict of interest and breach of rules will be removed by Lyon not being in the competition. If Lyon are not relegated and remain in the competition then UEFA will be forced into making a decision on Palace.

As a cynic I would say UEFA are stalling to await the answer to this as it gets them out of the mess they have created.

2) The second part of this revolves around whether Palace have done anything wrong at all. Palace will likely have been arguing throughout that this was the case. It has been well discussed that Textor has never had a decisive influence when it comes to control of the club. 43% (30% singularly owned and 13% Eagle Holdings) translate to only a 25% vote that is further watered down by the fact Parish holds a deciding vote in the event of a tie between the 4 main board Directors.

3) Thirdly, a forensic examination of why UEFA allowed a work around for other clubs and then, why it changed the dates for compliance to this work around from a date after the season completed to one well before it completed thereby effectively excluding those qualifying via a cup route utilising this workaround.

4) Recent events include Textors sale of his shares at Palace (still unconfirmed) and his more recent resignation from Lyon, however the underlying issue here is whether UEFA consider that the damage was done prior to Textor no longer being part of the equation. No doubt this will become a specific date dependent argument, although you could argue Palace have breached no rules until they kick a football in the competition and Textor involvement and conflict of interest will be long gone by then.

My gut feeling is that Palace will play in the Europa league and my reading of a lack of response from UEFA is them looking for the easiest way out of this situation, however I can’t discount that the Forest owner hasn’t been kicking up a storm and greasing a few palms.

I certainly don’t see this a case however of if Lyon are in, then Palace are out. A lot more in play I reckon. Never a dull moment as a Palace fan.

 

[NEILLO]

How about this ;

* Lyon are given a reprieve and not relegated

* However they are given a points deduction as an alternative punishment

* They no longer qualify through League position

 

[Jason Smith]

Why would an owner put their shares in a blind trust firstly when they are trying to sell them and secondly purely on the off chance that their team is going to win a Cup which they have never done in their history and thirdly it happens to coincide with another team that they have shares in qualifying for the same tournament.

Also a bit bizarre, is that the date to put shares into trusts was changed to before the end of the season thereby preventing any team from waiting until season end to complete documentation for what is, let’s face it, a work around. Would any right minded owner give up their control or voting rights on the basis a perfect storm of events might possibly happen.

The only clear thing to come out of this is that UEFA’s rules and regulations are ambiguous and not fit for purpose. They are not compatible whatsoever with multi club ownership and yet they support multi club ownership. It is very bizarre.

I agree, UEFA have messed up badly with this. Blaming Textor doesn't get to the heart of the problem. But Textor is a very problematic investor - and there's no getting away from that, either.

 

[mars]

Nigel Farage is a Palace fan! Please help your club Nige!

 

[Eaglecoops]

How about this ;

* Lyon are given a reprieve and not relegated

* However they are given a points deduction as an alternative punishment

* They no longer qualify through League position

Yeah, like your thinking, but you just know they’ll apply a points deduction to next season rather than the one just played!

 

[NMPalace]

But in that case they could have issued a statement later in 17 May saying we were in breach of their rules and so were ineligible for their competition. Unless CPFC are so low on their list that they didn't know anything about the ownership issue.

well they clearly contacted us soon after we won the FA Cup and why SP and Textor and Co went over to Switzerland for a meeting. We presented evidence (quite strong IMHO) and they have taken a few weeks to review/digest it.

Their own rules are slightly contradictory re multi club ownership and the fact that clubs like Man City and Chelsea have been allowed to compete shows there is not a hard and fast rule.

However, unfortunately it now appears that the 1st Match 'rule' trumps everything else.
If our position depends on the Lyon appeal it is difficult to come up with another explanation IMHO.

 

[NMPalace]

This is largely what I think too. I don't see how Lyon affects us. We qualified separately. There is nothing to do with Lyon being in or out for us. We either comply or not. Lyon's involvement has become irrelevant. We're not taking each other's place.
My guess is Forest causing trouble behind the scenes. With mega rich lawyers.

Surely it is we don't comply based on UEFA rules (the 1st March date), however, there is no conflict with multi club ownership if Lyon are relegated and lose their place in the Europa league.

That's my reading of the logic of the extension.