Teddy Eagle
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It wasn't meant as a comment on your explanation - just my hammer headed inability to grasp it.
Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?
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If the full substance of our arguments are those contained in the various media articles highlighted in this thread(e.g Mail, Sky) I am not confident.
Hopefully we'll have something more persuasive and concrete to submit.
On a strict interpretation fairness is unlikely to come into the equation.
Missing the date through claiming that notification was not properly made, or that Forest were given more time may not cut much ice.
UEFA could argue that Palace would also have been given more time if they had requested it, but that didn't happen.
The debate then becomes that the notification was irrelevant anyway because we didn't believe we satisfied the criteria to be considered a multi ownership model.
UEFA has clearly rejected this.
Will CAS accept the UEFA argument or find in favour of our interpretation?
I don't believe they will 're-litigate' so to speak and thus I hope we have some more compelling evidence than appears to have been leaked to date.
Hopefully we'll have something more persuasive and concrete to submit.
On a strict interpretation fairness is unlikely to come into the equation.
Missing the date through claiming that notification was not properly made, or that Forest were given more time may not cut much ice.
UEFA could argue that Palace would also have been given more time if they had requested it, but that didn't happen.
The debate then becomes that the notification was irrelevant anyway because we didn't believe we satisfied the criteria to be considered a multi ownership model.
UEFA has clearly rejected this.
Will CAS accept the UEFA argument or find in favour of our interpretation?
I don't believe they will 're-litigate' so to speak and thus I hope we have some more compelling evidence than appears to have been leaked to date.
Part Time James
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It's interesting that given how quiet CPFC have been on the subject they are now in the MSM talking about their confidence in winning the appeal. Should I derive hope from it (despite not really working out the relevance of the evidence) or are we about to make massive fools of ourselves based on misguided confidence?
I almost err towards the former given how much closer the commenters are to the intricacies than any of us are.
I almost err towards the former given how much closer the commenters are to the intricacies than any of us are.
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Are they?
CAS hearings are in camera. Perhaps that is to shield the advocates from being sued as immunity may not apply?
If the hearings are in camera, the appeal documents may well be confidential. If so, the press are guessing as much as we are.
Part Time James
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Yep. Think it was already posted, but on SSN. Came from the mouth of our manager apparently.
Crystal Palace Europa League appeal: Eagles boss Oliver Glasner 'confident' club will overturn UEFA decision
Crystal Palace were demoted from the Europa League to the Conference League after breaching UEFAs multi-club ownership rules; Eagles submitted an appeal, which will be heard on Friday with a decision expected on Monday; Palace believe they have compelling evidence to win appeal
Part Time James
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I still think they just want someone else to make their decisions.
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IN a word - well three actually -THE GREEK MAFIA. 😉
You mean someone connected to Olympiacos and Notts Forest? Or the UEFA general secretary? Or both?
Reading comments on the date if it was 30th April we had time if possible to but Textor shares in blind trust , as we was in semi by end of March and in the final 26th April , so if we knew end of April was the date makes the 1st March very important for us , but that is a layman's view
Part Time James
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I think UEFA are scared of the other parties you mention!
Eaglecoops
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Yes, the same thought crossed my mind.
I think Palace should have sued UEFA for business interruption and loss of income at the same time as submitting the appeal with the proviso it would be withdrawn if UEFA saw the light.
It’s the sort of thing Marinakis would do.
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We are wasting too much time/resources on this.
At the end of the day we are in Europe so it's not like a case of they kicked us out so we are getting nothing.
We should just go and win the Europa Conf and earn place in Europa League for next season.
This would add another trophy plus 2 year sin row European football.
The legal fees for this so far must be very high money I would rather see going into the first team.
Whole date thing is just silly argument anyway and reeks of desperation.
At the end of the day we are in Europe so it's not like a case of they kicked us out so we are getting nothing.
We should just go and win the Europa Conf and earn place in Europa League for next season.
This would add another trophy plus 2 year sin row European football.
The legal fees for this so far must be very high money I would rather see going into the first team.
Whole date thing is just silly argument anyway and reeks of desperation.
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If Palace do have the goods on UEFA this stuff will come out eventually. I would have thought it would be in UEFA's best interest if it was resolved before it got to CAS. Same as people suing each other often back down.
Fingers crossed.
Part Time James
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Like others have said, depends whether we're just trying to resolve our situation or whether we're after compensation too.
Surely UEFA can just say that if that was the case then Forest would have been excluded from the Champions League. Probably bumped down to the Europa - where Forest had no conflict(?) - and we end up in the Conference anyways
RubinsCube
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I suspect this is very much the crux of the argument.
Added to which, how could "the Board" (collective) at Palace get their house in order even if they saw the need to? The issue was shareholdings connected to one board member, not the collective.
I do worry that Palace's lawyers will argue something along these lines and emphasize the purposive aspect of the legislation. If they do, I'm not sure we'll get very far but I hope I am wrong as the morally right outcome of this is clearly that we get reinstated.
I read somewhere that the whole blind trust/1 March rule is going to be scrapped from this season anyway, which perhaps shows how flawed and problematic it is.
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Yes and as a device to alter the rules by force (and not volition - thus saving face or "other" reasons)..
silvertop
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Nobody gave any specifics. Only generalisms.Yep. Think it was already posted, but on SSN. Came from the mouth of our manager apparently.
Crystal Palace Europa League appeal: Eagles boss Oliver Glasner 'confident' club will overturn UEFA decision
Crystal Palace were demoted from the Europa League to the Conference League after breaching UEFAs multi-club ownership rules; Eagles submitted an appeal, which will be heard on Friday with a decision expected on Monday; Palace believe they have compelling evidence to win appealwww.skysports.com
Part Time James
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Agreed, but all I said was that it was in the mainstream media that Palace were confident of winning the appeal.
I think the headline literally says that doesn't it? May well be inaccurate, I have little respect for these news outlets, but just quoting this. After a period of silence on the issue, they claim Glasner has said he's confident. I assume he has actually said that...