Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Yes, if we win.

Lose and this thread will be full of bile directed at UEFA - 300 pages should be easily achievable !

I don't know if further legal action is likely in that case, but it will probably be time to concentrate on the new season.

 

[Part Time James]

One thing I do hope when the news comes out on Monday...we may have disagreed at times, but we're all united as Palace fans right? Palace til we die.

 

[ASCPFC]

One thing I do hope when the news comes out on Monday...we may have disagreed at times, but we're all united as Palace fans right? Palace til we die.

No way. Do one.

 

[Badger11]

I don't know if further legal action is likely in that case, but it will probably be time to concentrate on the new season.

If we lose we should move on. We need to focus on the new season.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

No way. Do one.

Ever considered a job at UEFA public relations?

 

[Part Time James]

No way. Do one.

I am entitled to part time feelings you know?

 

[crystal-purley]

No it doesn't - It shows he had a decisive influence over what happened to his shares, which of course he did, they were his shares. I doesn't show he had any influence over how the club was run.

let us wait until the board minutes are shown by SP which should show that nobody's shares mean not too much

 

[Teddy Eagle]

let us wait until the board minutes are shown by SP which should show that nobody's shares mean not too much

Bit of a double edged sword though. It might be tricky attracting future investors when we're saying, "Give us your money and stay out of it".

 

[rob1861]

Bit of a double edged sword though. It might be tricky attracting future investors when we're saying, "Give us your money and stay out of it".

Dr Google says he bought for £90m but allegedly invested up to £180m in total before selling for £190m. If true, a profit of £10m in 4 years, Not that bad.

Stock market return would have been better though at c14% vs around 5.5% in his Palace investment

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Dr Google says he bought for £90m but allegedly invested up to £180m in total before selling for £190m. If true, a profit of £10m in 4 years, Not that bad.

I'd settle for it but these rich people tend to want a bit of a say in things as well.

 

[silvertop]

nobody on here knows what evidence and arguments we have to prove our point , we are all guessing , we are not privy to UEFA or Palaces brief on the case so everyone needs to stop guessing , and since page 50 we have gone round in circles , with the odd click bait thrown in , conspiracy's dream

And?

 

[rob1861]

I'd settle for it but these rich people tend to want a bit of a say in things as well.

that's why Textor left, He signed the terms and Parish most definitely knows what he's doing though. Not many clubs of our size have sustained Prem life for so long...It's us and mostly top end competing clubs that have survived more than a decade. Even Villa have dropped in that time and they are a bigger club than us historically.

p.s. agreed they'd want a say ideally though

 

[silvertop]

In all the various arguments and hypothesises being suggested here I wonder if something fundamental is being overlooked.

The guiding principle of CAS is to ensure they dispense natural justice. For their own procedures that means the same standards apply as in a Court. The right to a fair trial, the right for both sides to be heard, for full disclosure of evidence, all to be heard by an independent Adjudicator, or panel of Adjudicators.

However, they can also look at whether the behaviour of regulatory bodies, such as UEFA, also applies natural justice and it seems to me that we must have a strong case in claiming that the way UEFA treated us did not. On a number of grounds.

Just as a Company cannot write Terms & Conditions that are demonstrably unfair and expect them to protect them against unreasonable behaviour nor can a sports authority write rules that are demonstrably unfit for purpose, being unable to achieve their stated aims. This conflicts with natural justice.

A Judge can rule that an unfair clause in a Company’s T &C can be disregarded and I think that CAS could possibly do the same with an unfair rule. Especially any that have been slated for revision due to their inappropriateness.

All the arguments that we have no chance of success because UEFA have decided we have broken their rules and CAS will have no choice other than to agree with them, whatever the morality involved (read some of the Forest forums), fall at the first fence if I am right.

Switzerland are signatories to the ECHR. Thus, I suspect (i.e. guess) we will argue:

1. No decisive control + unfairness
2. Arbitrary date + unfairness

I doubt CAS would have the jurisdiction to attack rules against MCOs in principle, nor would or should they want to. UEFA just need to redraft and properly apply them in order that they be fit for purpose.

 

[silvertop]

I really can't wait until Monday, just so we can end all the pointless speculation.

And so we might actually sign some more players.

I agree completely save the point highlighted.

This is my shed or 19th hole. Where else can a bloke who works from home come to shoot the breeze?

Meanwhile, back to work...

 

[silvertop]

let us wait until the board minutes are shown by SP which should show that nobody's shares mean not too much

Share agreement?

 

[Jim_Cannon]

I really can't wait until Monday, just so we can end all the pointless speculation.

And so we might actually sign some more players.

Yep agree. The whole thing has got tedious now

 

[pssguy]

No it doesn't - It shows he had a decisive influence over what happened to his shares, which of course he did, they were his shares. I doesn't show he had any influence over how the club was run.

I put 'decisive influence' in quotes specifically to indicate the fact that his actions (or lack thereof) on the blind trust has been the sole cause of our problems and to differentiate it from the day-to-day running of the club

TBH, with the injuries piling up and lack of purchases the Conference may be the better option. We just have to make sure we win the qualifying round. The league stage should be relatively easy and the knockout does not start until February

 

[NEILLO]

Bit of a double edged sword though. It might be tricky attracting future investors when we're saying, "Give us your money and stay out of it".

Well Johnson has supposedly signed up for Parish to run Palace as it was with Textor on board. And it’s hardly a “ stay out of it “ - he’ll have a voice but ultimately, like Harris and Blitzer, he has to trust that his investment is in safe hands

 

[NEILLO]

let us wait until the board minutes are shown by SP which should show that nobody's shares mean not too much

But they were part of the original evidence that UEFA have rebuffed

 

[Malcolm Al]

If we lose we should move on. We need to focus on the new season.

We should definitely move-on for the following reasons:
1. our club management made the c*ck-up and really we have no-one else to blame;
2. other clubs are laughing at us, particularly all this bollox about Forest becoming our most hated rivals. Their supporters had nothing to do with this; we made a balls-up and their owner pointed it out.
3. the new season is approaching and we haven't brought in the players that Glasner wants/needs to handle a European campaign and a decent Prem League finish.