eaglesdare
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Surely if our aim at the start of the season was to qualify for Europe mitigations should have been in place.
Poor planning all round.
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Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?
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Poor planning all round.
NEILLO
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UEFA are considering our case. If, as Kieran Maguire thinks, we are within the rules then there's no luck involved.
How do you know that Parish didn't know the rules ? I think it's entirely possible that the club were aware of them but have always considered themselves to be operating within them. But I don't suppose you have considered that.
As for '' changing to what is acceptable '' on that basis every club that has a version of multi club ownership would need to take steps such as the Blind Trust option just in case they win something !
If the club believed that it had operated within the rules it may be that it never checked.
Presumably it was the authorities that contacted Palace after the FA Cup win, because only at that point did it become material to entry into European competition.
As I see it the club can believe all it wants that it operates within the rules.
However, ultimately it won't be the arbiter of this matter.
If the decision goes against the club there may well be the opportunity to appeal.
However, this would really eat into the summer in terms of planning.
A very unsatisfactory state of affairs.
Presumably it was the authorities that contacted Palace after the FA Cup win, because only at that point did it become material to entry into European competition.
As I see it the club can believe all it wants that it operates within the rules.
However, ultimately it won't be the arbiter of this matter.
If the decision goes against the club there may well be the opportunity to appeal.
However, this would really eat into the summer in terms of planning.
A very unsatisfactory state of affairs.
NEILLO
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The Forest owner is getting a lot of kudos on here for taking the steps he did.
He didn't do so until it looked entirely possible that Forest would claim a CL place - which of course they ultimately didn't.
Having an ambition at the start of a new season is just that - an ambition. You might recall that come October we hadn't won a game and were in the bottom three. Any '' mitigations '' would have looked a bit silly then wouldn't they ?
CPFC Dartford
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This is all made up BS from journalists. Parish and co would all have a total understanding of the rules. Did they actually attend a meeting last week or was that made up as well. Parish has been trying for years to win something and get into Europe, for sure he knows the rules.
NEILLO
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That is obviously only speculation on my part.
The other part of the equation is at what point could the club have taken the Blind Trust route ? A March deadline has been bandied about, but I confess I haven't checked that is the case. If it was the beginning of March then we had just beaten Millwall in the 5th. round of the FA Cup. Should we have done it then in the expectation / hope that we then beat Fulham, Villa and Man City - all clubs ahead of us in the PL ?
Would Textor have willingly placed his shares in Blind Trust at those times ?
Whether we or the football authorities like it or not, multi club ownership is on the rise and looks likely to continue to be so. So I think it's the regulation around that that requires review and change. I'm not or was a lawyer, but I can't see why there is a deadline imposed on Blind Trusts - are they any less effective if implemented now ( as apparently Textor has offered to do ) as opposed to March / April ?
As you wrote - a very unsatisfactory state of affairs.
Canterbury Palace
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I saw an article saying that we'll take them to the court of arbitration if they kick us out. Perhaps that coupled with the amount of press attention this is getting will work in our favour.
The whole thing is insane. With any luck they let us in and then just adjust the rules if we need to. Best case scenario we get in and it also motivates Textor to depart ASAP.
The whole thing is insane. With any luck they let us in and then just adjust the rules if we need to. Best case scenario we get in and it also motivates Textor to depart ASAP.
Wrong, it is no good "Thinking its Ok" and obviously Parish hasn't checked because he would have the paperwork in front of him and not need to go to Switzerland, get a grip.
Wrong, He thought he knew, there wouldn't be a problem if he knew them, FFS
NEILLO
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Wrong - he went to Switzerland to present Palace's case.
'' Get a grip '' from the person wanting Glasner sacked last year - laughable.
Eagleman13
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The 'Blind Trust' came about because of the owner of Forest, Marinakis, who also owns Olympiakos. Olympiakos had just qualified for the ECL & at the time it looked, to all intense & purposes, so would Forest.
Marinades, owns both clubs & has control over both, hence him putting his Forest share in that Trust, elevates the problem.
Now, Textor owns & has control of Lyon, but, not Palace, he maybe the largest shareholder, but he has equal influence with the 3 othe directors/owners. From what I've seen & read, on that alone, there is not conflict of interest.
Personally, I think the 'hysteria' came from here, on these boards & the press/clickbait picked up on it & it escalated from there. I hope to god, we do get to play in Europe next season, but this ain't doing my blood pressure any good.
Are the other clubs that have qualified for Europe going to "Present a case" err, NO
CPFC Dartford
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How can you assume ‘he thought he knew’? And we don’t know there is a problem, it’s just what unreliable journalists are churning out. This is a multi million pound business, surely he would have done all that was necessary.
Griffiths1008
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The deadline was 1st March. The day we played Millwall. They changed the date this year as previously it was June, which gave the clubs that qualified last year time to sort it out. March 1 is unreasonable in my opinion, not even the league cup final had been played yet.
Maybe Palace thought they would be ok as Textor does not have overall control of the club which would, if proven, allow us and Lyon to take part in the EL
Having said that, would Textor have been willing to use the blind trust? He has , for the best part of the season, been trying to sell his shares which would have not been possible if they were locked away.
Anyway, this is really getting me down. I've been so happy and this is spoiling my joy.
Typical Palace I suppose . 🙁
I think, as he had to fly to Switzerland there was a problem with our legality,
I think Thought is the key word
andyachtie
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You don't know what's happening...... no one except the owners and UEFA. Wait and see, it will all be fine in the end I'm sure.
Yes, i Thought Glasner wasn't the man for the job, i was wrong, fortunately my Faux pas, didn't mean anything, but if Parish's only "thought" it was ok it will cost the club Millions, lets hope that it wont come to that.
CPFC Dartford
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Even if that did happen, we don’t know the intricacies of the discussions. It may have been just dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s. Basically no news.
Jameston88
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What amazes me about the rules is that in the Fifa club world cup , Liam Delap only signed for Chelsea this week but he can play in that competition even though it starts in the same month as he signed.
But Palace might not be able to play in Europe due to a March 1st deadline.
Talk about one rule for the so called bigger clubs.
I know one is Uefaand one is Fifa but it still stinks to me anyway