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[Wisbech Eagle]

This attitude of AfD can also be found in the USA where it is every bit as impractical and just populist rabble rousing to attract attention and votes.

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[Teddy Eagle]

You would be OK.

You look like everyone else and that’s what matters most.

That must be why Catholics and Protestants have always got on so well. Russians and Ukrainians don't look too different either.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

I was really interested in the ringing endorsement above of That AfD statement by Mr Hillbilly. That's not really me inventing anything here but reacting to a poster who has endorsed the party on that 'remigration' point; that seems sweeping without any nuances as stated by other replies to me.

No?

it wasn't intended to be a personal endorsement by myself. (though my own politics should have nothing to do with it). My fault for sloppy writing
It was meant as an observation as to how much support the AfD have

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That must be why Catholics and Protestants have always got on so well. Russians and Ukrainians don't look too different either.

Maybe we should just burn all the Catholics too then. Would save a lot of admin work.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Maybe we should just burn all the Catholics too then. Would save a lot of admin work.

It would in the Vatican anyway.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It would in the Vatican anyway.

Not since Henry VIII.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Not since Henry VIII.

I think you'll find dealing with Catholicism still takes up quite a bit of the Vatican's time.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I think you'll find dealing with Catholicism still takes up quite a bit of the Vatican's time.

We are talking, aren’t we, of the UK. Where since Henry VIII Kings no longer pay homage to Popes.

We didn’t involve the Vatican when we burned a few back then, so why now?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

We are talking, aren’t we, of the UK. Where since Henry VIII Kings no longer pay homage to Popes.

We didn’t involve the Vatican when we burned a few back then, so why now?

Because we were talking about people who look different and my contention was that Catholics and Protestants look the same but don't let stop you having the traditional argument about it.
This is where you can argue about whether you were arguing.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Because we were talking about people who look different and my contention was that Catholics and Protestants look the same but don't let stop you having the traditional argument about it.
This is where you can argue about whether you were arguing.

No.

It’s because you decided to introduce the Vatican. Which lies in the middle of Rome. Not here.

The original point was that only people who look different need worry that the xenophobic right will target them. If you are “European” and “White” all’s well. Whatever branch of religion you favour. You will be regarded as one of us and not one of them.

 

[ASCPFC]

We are talking, aren’t we, of the UK. Where since Henry VIII Kings no longer pay homage to Popes.

We didn’t involve the Vatican when we burned a few back then, so why now?

Henry VIII wasn't that bothered about burning Catholics. I find it quite funny when persecution of Catholics is mentioned. Protestants were burned all over Europe for wanting religion in their own language largely. And I don't think Latin America lost 10s of millions of people from Protestants saying stick to the bible.
Only in England does it seem that Protestants were really much of a majority and realistically that comes from Elizabeth I and after. Even she wasn't too bothered until the Pope signed her death warrant. Mary Tudor might be more up everyone's street but, again, feels more Spanish influence than England being full of zealotry.
Wouldn't take long to find religious zealots today however, but they likely know little of Tudor history.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

No.

It’s because you decided to introduce the Vatican. Which lies in the middle of Rome. Not here.

The original point was that only people who look different need worry that the xenophobic right will target them. If you are “European” and “White” all’s well. Whatever branch of religion you favour. You will be regarded as one of us and not one of them.

Another of your diversions goes awry. European and white then alls well? That's several hundred years of religious bigotry written off. If you look back the point was also made that Russians and Ukrainians look the same.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Henry VIII wasn't that bothered about burning Catholics. I find it quite funny when persecution of Catholics is mentioned. Protestants were burned all over Europe for wanting religion in their own language largely. And I don't think Latin America lost 10s of millions of people from Protestants saying stick to the bible.
Only in England does it seem that Protestants were really much of a majority and realistically that comes from Elizabeth I and after. Even she wasn't too bothered until the Pope signed her death warrant. Mary Tudor might be more up everyone's street but, again, feels more Spanish influence than England being full of zealotry.
Wouldn't take long to find religious zealots today however, but they likely know little of Tudor history.

I did say since Henry VIII and not the man himself! It was a terrible period of extreme views and no compassion on either side. A lesson that ought to be relearned today. Many Protestants being burned here too. Not a good example of the love and peace religion.

This kind of attitude, still around today, is one of the reasons I turned my back on all religion.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Another of your diversions goes awry. European and white then alls well? That's several hundred years of religious bigotry written off. If you look back the point was also made that Russians and Ukrainians look the same.

Russians and Ukrainians don’t just look the same. They are, mostly, both Slavs so ethnically the same. If they were living in a AfD controlled Germany, or here under an extreme Reform, who actually tried to follow through on their threat of repatriation, neither would need to worry. They aren’t the target.

Religious bigotry is separate to racial xenophobia.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Russians and Ukrainians don’t just look the same. They are, mostly, both Slavs so ethnically the same. If they were living in a AfD controlled Germany, or here under an extreme Reform, who actually tried to follow through on their threat of repatriation, neither would need to worry. They aren’t the target.

Religious bigotry is separate to racial xenophobia.

That's the point - being white Europeans hasn't done much to keep Ukraine safe.

The EU is a far bigger threat to democracy than Musk

The Brussels set has been overthrowing governments and ignoring referendums for decades.

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[Living In Hope]

Russians and Ukrainians don’t just look the same. They are, mostly, both Slavs so ethnically the same. If they were living in a AfD controlled Germany, or here under an extreme Reform, who actually tried to follow through on their threat of repatriation, neither would need to worry. They aren’t the target.

Religious bigotry is separate to racial xenophobia.

Wisbech, do you really think that Reform is full of racists ? I suspect you are very wrong. I am finding myself increasingly sympathetic to views which are sometimes being characterised as far right. I do not perceive myself as racist - I take people on what they are like not what their ethnicity is. But I am very bothered by people living in Britain who appear to despise the country, its history and its heritage. This country has done far more good than bad, and its empire has generally left countries with established democratic governance, strong infrastructure, an equitable legal system etc. Historically the reason people have wanted to come and live here is that we have democracy, freedom of thought and speech, opportunity, tolerance of any ways of living which don't impose themselves on others. Does my frustration about illegal immigration, and my increasing antipathy towards young, male economic migrants from the 3rd world make me racist ?

I don't want people coming to live in Britain unless they share our values - I don't want people settling in this country who would prevent women from living the lives they want to, who would make being gay illegal, who think that anyone of a different belief system is dirty or even unworthy of life. I don't want a culture starting to overtake us where people try to prevent other views from being expressed, or seek to destroy the lives of those who don't agree with them.

I find it quite bizarre that these views now could mark me out as strongly right wing. I am not yet sure about Reform, but beginning to associate it with racism / xenophobia feels like another way of shutting down debate (though I know from your posts you are not unreasonable or dogmatic).

 

[eaglesdare]

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Fantastic achievement by musk

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Wisbech, do you really think that Reform is full of racists ? I suspect you are very wrong. I am finding myself increasingly sympathetic to views which are sometimes being characterised as far right. I do not perceive myself as racist - I take people on what they are like not what their ethnicity is. But I am very bothered by people living in Britain who appear to despise the country, its history and its heritage. This country has done far more good than bad, and its empire has generally left countries with established democratic governance, strong infrastructure, an equitable legal system etc. Historically the reason people have wanted to come and live here is that we have democracy, freedom of thought and speech, opportunity, tolerance of any ways of living which don't impose themselves on others. Does my frustration about illegal immigration, and my increasing antipathy towards young, male economic migrants from the 3rd world make me racist ?

I don't want people coming to live in Britain unless they share our values - I don't want people settling in this country who would prevent women from living the lives they want to, who would make being gay illegal, who think that anyone of a different belief system is dirty or even unworthy of life. I don't want a culture starting to overtake us where people try to prevent other views from being expressed, or seek to destroy the lives of those who don't agree with them.

I find it quite bizarre that these views now could mark me out as strongly right wing. I am not yet sure about Reform, but beginning to associate it with racism / xenophobia feels like another way of shutting down debate (though I know from your posts you are not unreasonable or dogmatic).

There is much in this post that I agree with. You are clearly not a racist and whilst most who sympathise with Reform aren’t either I suspect most racists support Reform.

I want everyone living in the UK to share our values too. If they choose to live here then that’s part of the contract. I would go further and insist on it, making it part of the visa process and extending that for much longer than at present. My hobbyhorse is with how we educate both new arrivals and their children. I want all religion and religious control or influence removed from both schools and public life. I want every child taught tolerance and respect and to learn how to challenge any intolerance or lack of respect they might encounter in their private life.

Does that make me far right? Not in my book because I am perfectly prepared to tolerate and respect others who return the sentiments. It’s behaviour that concerns me, not background or any other arbitrary characteristics.

No, the attitude of the far right goes well beyond my own wish to create harmony with determined requirements. The wish to “repatriate” is often based on unrealistic fear and a belief in the “great replacement “ theory. Apart from being completely impractical and unrealistic it’s showing the lack of respect and intolerance that lies at the heart of the problem.

So if Reform started to throw out all those who promote racist ideas, started to promote the need for reeducation and the removal of religion from public life, alongside a reversal of the objection to ensure effective moderation of social media and control of disinformation and misinformation, they might even start to make sense to me.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That's the point - being white Europeans hasn't done much to keep Ukraine safe.

The EU is a far bigger threat to democracy than Musk

The Brussels set has been overthrowing governments and ignoring referendums for decades.

www.spiked-online.com

Of course it hasn’t. Just because you share ethnicity doesn’t mean you don’t have disputes. Bullies exist at every strata of society.

That’s not the same as making any determinations along solely arbitrary lines. Deciding to favour, or exclude, people just because of their age, sex, sexual orientation or appearance is where the line is drawn.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Of course it hasn’t. Just because you share ethnicity doesn’t mean you don’t have disputes. Bullies exist at every strata of society.

That’s not the same as making any determinations along solely arbitrary lines. Deciding to favour, or exclude, people just because of their age, sex, sexual orientation or appearance is where the line is drawn.

That's DEI done then.