Main Stand redevelopment thread

[ex hibitionist]

I suspect that with the alleged spiralling costs of this white elephant we will see the sales of key players to 'fund the essential works to preserve the future of the club's

the new stand 'project' is NOT a white elephant, whereas the old stand currently there is a donkey of no particular hue

 

[Badger11]

the new stand 'project' is NOT a white elephant, whereas the old stand currently there is a donkey of no particular hue

Sooner or later the old wooden stand will be condemned due to safety regulations. It is only a matter of time it is no longer fit for purpose so we have no choice but to rebuild.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I suspect that with the alleged spiralling costs of this white elephant we will see the sales of key players to 'fund the essential works to preserve the future of the club's

You must suffer from a very severe form of myopia if you think that Selhurst can remain as it is.

The money will be borrowed for the stand.

 

[orpingtoneagle]

You must suffer from a very severe form of myopia if you think that Selhurst can remain as it is.

The money will be borrowed for the stand.

I have never said that but I do worry that the ownership structure of the club is such that is remains fundamentally fragile and that this grand plan does have the danger of making said finances more precarious.

Oh and if true be told I am actually registered blind.......

 

[ASCPFC]

I have never said that but I do worry that the ownership structure of the club is such that is remains fundamentally fragile and that this grand plan does have the danger of making said finances more precarious.

Oh and if true be told I am actually registered blind.......

You're one of our refs?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I have never said that but I do worry that the ownership structure of the club is such that is remains fundamentally fragile and that this grand plan does have the danger of making said finances more precarious.

Oh and if true be told I am actually registered blind.......

I know. You had to look it up.

If it is like every other major development, it will be paid for with a loan. The loan will be repaid at a rate that the club can afford.
If we want to advance as a club or just keep pace with our rivals, we have no choice but to increase match day revenue. We also need to be attractive to potential signings.

 

[ASCPFC]

I know. You had to look it up.

If it is like every other major development, it will be paid for with a loan. The loan will be repaid at a rate that the club can afford.
If we want to advance as a club or just keep pace with our rivals, we have no choice but to increase match day revenue. We also need to be attractive to potential signings.

This bothers me about this stand. It's not going to be a big enough capacity to balance the books at the price it's coming in at. I tried to work it out based on pretty high ticket prices and things like 40 years to pay off with extra revenue and interest come up. Longer even. Because it looks like 200 mil is now the price.
That doesn't seem worth it to me. It's always been Selhurst for me but we can't continue to pretend the club can't move. I think most of us travel to the ground these days anyway.
My guess is it's well over half of the fans that live nowhere near South London anymore. I'd still have us in South London but perhaps nearer Kent - like Hayes or the extremities of Bromley somewhere. Or near Gatwick would be handy enough.
I won't mention Crystal Palace - fed up with arguing about it. Let them keep it derelict or as a council estate if that's what they want.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

This bothers me about this stand. It's not going to be a big enough capacity to balance the books at the price it's coming in at. I tried to work it out based on pretty high ticket prices and things like 40 years to pay off with extra revenue and interest come up. Longer even. Because it looks like 200 mil is now the price.
That doesn't seem worth it to me. It's always been Selhurst for me but we can't continue to pretend the club can't move. I think most of us travel to the ground these days anyway.
My guess is it's well over half of the fans that live nowhere near South London anymore. I'd still have us in South London but perhaps nearer Kent - like Hayes or the extremities of Bromley somewhere. Or near Gatwick would be handy enough.
I won't mention Crystal Palace - fed up with arguing about it. Let them keep it derelict or as a council estate if that's what they want.

I'd move to a new stadium in a heartbeat.

Moving to a different site would upset as many fans as it pleased, judging by feedback I have seen in previous years, but more importantly, it would take years to be realised.
I don't think that the new stand would stop us moving at some point, but we can't stand still until someone makes that happen.
If we continue to be successful, I suspect that we could outgrow the 34k and make a bigger stadium a necessity. I doubt we could go bigger than 40k at Selhurst. Let's remember that we used to get around 40k for big games back in the '70s when football was not as big.

 

[rikz]

This bothers me about this stand. It's not going to be a big enough capacity to balance the books at the price it's coming in at. I tried to work it out based on pretty high ticket prices and things like 40 years to pay off with extra revenue and interest come up. Longer even. Because it looks like 200 mil is now the price.
That doesn't seem worth it to me. It's always been Selhurst for me but we can't continue to pretend the club can't move. I think most of us travel to the ground these days anyway.
My guess is it's well over half of the fans that live nowhere near South London anymore. I'd still have us in South London but perhaps nearer Kent - like Hayes or the extremities of Bromley somewhere. Or near Gatwick would be handy enough.
I won't mention Crystal Palace - fed up with arguing about it. Let them keep it derelict or as a council estate if that's what they want.

There's a massive field in between Croydon and Mitcham, big enough for a new stadium. All the club needs to do is commit to building a block of flats for illegal asylum seekers and this government and mayor would sign it straight off.

 

[ASCPFC]

I'd move to a new stadium in a heartbeat.

Moving to a different site would upset as many fans as it pleased, judging by feedback I have seen in previous years, but more importantly, it would take years to be realised.
I don't think that the new stand would stop us moving at some point, but we can't stand still until someone makes that happen.
If we continue to be successful, I suspect that we could outgrow the 34k and make a bigger stadium a necessity. I doubt we could go bigger than 40k at Selhurst. Let's remember that we used to get around 40k for big games back in the '70s when football was not as big.

I also feel that we really need more - just for even current demand. If it were 40k and could host events it would seem great for 200 million. But it's the 200 mil for 8? Thousand more that bothers me - and it's one jazzy new stand whilst the rest ... Well you know. If it's all tourists for 200 quid each it would be worth it perhaps. That's slightly worrying too.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I also feel that we really need more - just for even current demand. If it were 40k and could host events it would seem great for 200 million. But it's the 200 mil for 8? Thousand more that bothers me - and it's one jazzy new stand whilst the rest ... Well you know. If it's all tourists for 200 quid each it would be worth it perhaps. That's slightly worrying too.

I get you, but this stand will last for decades, unless we move home, so it really is a long term investment.
We can't do it on the cheap, but I do agree that a larger increase in capacity would have been preferable.
The reality, I presume, is that corporate hospitality will make more money than more capacity.

 

[Casual]

Do the main stand for more capacity/corporate money and just spruce up the rest of the ground, that would do me.
My mates just messaged me from West Ham v spurs saying “there’s people walking round with half and half scarves, what’s happened to this club”
The new ground/ massive capacity has killed the atmosphere/experience of going to West Ham, for the real fans. Foreigners sitting in the home end in Liverpool/United shirts, when they ain’t even playing them.
If that happens at Palace I’ll just do the aways.

 

[Jim_Cannon]

Do the main stand for more capacity/corporate money and just spruce up the rest of the ground, that would do me.
My mates just messaged me from West Ham v spurs saying “there’s people walking round with half and half scarves, what’s happened to this club”
The new ground/ massive capacity has killed the atmosphere/experience of going to West Ham, for the real fans. Foreigners sitting in the home end in Liverpool/United shirts, when they ain’t even playing them.
If that happens at Palace I’ll just do the aways.

I’m with you. We do need the new stand and I accept it will be corporate and probably mix of real fans and tourists. The money will help keep us competitive. Start moving towards 40,000 plus and Selhurst could become dead with too many not emotionally attached to the club turning up

 

[dreamwaverider]

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A multi-million pound regeneration of Crystal Palace Park in south-east London has started, with specialist contractors now appointed.

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WELL THATS THE END OF ANY THOUGHTS OF 'HEADING HOME'.

Looks like Selhurst is now definitely our immediate future.
I did read recently read that it is too expensive to build up and over the existing stand with the new one, like they did at Anfield. So therefore, the only option would seem to be tear the old stand down and then build a new one. Just like Fulham did. Took them FOUR years.
A lot has happened in recent weeks and based on the fact we are now in Europe, surely any new stand should go on hold for the time being. Last thing we need is having three sides to the stadium.
Against Wolves, we showed what a great atmosphere we have got at Selhurst. Easily good enough to stir up Europe.
So, save what will end up being £250 MILLION !!! on a stand for three to four years time and funnel all our cash into the team and a stadium spruce up. All ready to tango for the start of next season.

 

[eaglesdare]

Can't we just fill in the corners? 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Although it's not been recently reported, as CPFC are "working with Sainsburys" to find a solution, I reckon they are effectively holding CPFC to ransom over stadium plans.
The more Palace have (financial) success, the more imperative it is to improve the stadium, ...and the higher the ransom becomes.

That's pure speculation from me, based on how (some) businesses operate

 

[braunstoneagle]

I get you, but this stand will last for decades, unless we move home, so it really is a long term investment.
We can't do it on the cheap, but I do agree that a larger increase in capacity would have been preferable.
The reality, I presume, is that corporate hospitality will make more money than more capacity.

if we are being honest, we wouldn't sell out a 40k stadium every week at this moment in time so probably best keep the plans as they are for now.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

if we are being honest, we wouldn't sell out a 40k stadium every week at this moment in time so probably best keep the plans as they are for now.

I think we would for the bigger games, but in some ways the image of the ground is as important as any practical factors. We need to be more attractive to players, fans and sponsors.
The Sainsbury's needs a new tier as it is currently pathetic and is set to become even smaller. The Arthur needs the stanchions removed as a minimum.

 

[Penge Eagle]

if we are being honest, we wouldn't sell out a 40k stadium every week at this moment in time so probably best keep the plans as they are for now.

I've often heard this about a 40k capacity. It doesn't matter if it's a sell-out for only half the matches, there is no rule a stadium has to be full each week. The revenue for the games when it is at full capacity makes it totally worthwhile and makes the stadium future proof for a growing fan base. Also available for use at any potential UEFA or FIFA fixtures or concerts.

 

[mileend]

I've often heard this about a 40k capacity. It doesn't matter if it's a sell-out for only half the matches, there is no rule a stadium has to be full each week. The revenue for the games when it is at full capacity makes it totally worthwhile and makes the stadium future proof for a growing fan base. Also available for use at any potential UEFA or FIFA fixtures or concerts.

I think you could sell out 40k for less attractive opposition in the PL - just a question of lowering the price enough to make those tickets affordable. The trick would be to get them in the hands of Palace fans - or people who would become long term Palace fans - ie fairly local (huge catchment area) and not the tourists and if such a thing were possible you would want to sell them to young families so they get to come along and catch the Palace bug.