Liverpool vs Crystal Palace match thread

[PatrickA]

Glasner’s game is all about maximum efficiency, which means making as many correct decisions on the field as possible and minimising incorrect decisions.

Look at our goals in the latter part of this season - win the ball , pass it forward accurately and then finish or assist.
Three of four touches from the opposition being in possession to the ball being in the back of the net.

Wharton is a master of this and we saw a classic example from Mitchell doing this yesterday.

Esse is young and made incorrect decisions yesterday which is why he was substituted.
The test is whether he can learn from this and do as Glasner requires to maximise efficiency .
During the friendly in Malaga , Glasner could be heard on the touchline shouting , ‘Roman, where are you going?’
It’s all about how he responds to the coaching and understanding his role within the team framework.
We have seen massive improvements from the likes of Mateta and Hughes under Glasner, but others like JRS have fallen by the wayside.

I’m not just picking out Esse as Glasner called out one or two others yesterday for playing for themselves rather than the team.
In his podcast a few weeks ago Glasner said this was his main ‘non -negotiable’ in terms of what he requires from his players.

Glasner is demanding, but surely we all want high standards maintained and continue to see the improved performances that we are witnessing?

 

[Badger11]

Esse had a brilliant cameo in our previous league game. Sometimes young players try to hard so maybe it went to his head. I think he's going to be a great player for Palace but like early Wilf will make poor decisions.

However I trust Glasner to coach the showboating out of him whilst leaving the talent.

 

[cryrst]

Esse had a brilliant cameo in our previous league game. Sometimes young players try to hard so maybe it went to his head. I think he's going to be a great player for Palace but like early Wilf will make poor decisions.

However I trust Glasner to coach the showboating out of him whilst leaving the talent.

Shame as if he had crossed we had men in the box. It did directly lead to their goal when he lost it as players waiting for the ball over. Oh well hope he doesn’t become afraid to do some tricks but right place right time.

 

[Spindle]

An assumption has been formed that Esse was removed from the field of play for this incident but we are not privy to information as to the precise reason for such an action.
It is the model of plausibility that the reason was something totally different and my thought process has gallivanted down this pathway.

I suspect it was a lot of things, such as tracking back.

Sarr was also very wasteful, several players were

 

[Willo]

Shame as if he had crossed we had men in the box. It did directly lead to their goal when he lost it as players waiting for the ball over. Oh well hope he doesn’t become afraid to do some tricks but right place right time.

The incident involving Esse was not solely to blame for the Liverpool goal,if indeed any culpability can be attached to the incident which occurred near the opposition goalmouth.
Mitchell's poor header which went straight to a Liverpool player, and Devenny was 'Ball-watching' when the cross was headed back into the danger zone which allowed Salah to power in front of him and slam the ball into the net.

 

[Ex Dubai Eagle]

Glasner was pissed so I guess it is OK for some supporters to be disappointed that we could not win and finish a place higher
We really have a bad record against 10 men - luckily the most important (Millwall) was an exception
Eze, who had a poor game, did not look that emotional or wave to fans much, IIRC. So he may not push for an exit and could even stay if the release clause is met and its not a team he wants to join
Lerma was solid again. I wonder if he will play more often in the back three as that may mean we just have to replace anyone (Guehi et al) leaving - assuming Riad can contribute at the business end of the season

A few points on the final table
Most pundits had us 9-11 before the season so 12 is close and reasonable given the start we had, If you can write that off to all the late signings/injuries/outgoings we secured 50 points in the final 30 matches. Extended over a season that would be 63 points, likely enough for a Europa spot. Unless we strengthen significantly, with Europa next season I can, however, predict another 12th place finish
Probably the best final table for us. We seem to have the hex on Villa so if we meet them in the Europa we can feel confident. Also, assuming Guehi is off, then Newcastle, Chelsea and Spurs - all associated with him - can offer Champions League for at least one season: and competition for him will boost the price. Plus Brighton miss out on Europe.
At the beginning of the season I would have taken a 15 point cushion over Spurs

If anyone had said at the beginning of the season that we would finish above Spurs Wet Spam & Moan a lot Utd , with another 3 different teams being relegated we would have been pretty happy with that -
(especially when we were 8 games in with only 3 points) to end the season with our highest ever points total & winning the cup is a real bonus & a good indication that the club & OG are good for each other.

 

[PatrickA]

The incident involving Esse was not solely to blame for the Liverpool goal,if indeed any culpability can be attached to the incident which occurred near the opposition goalmouth.
Mitchell's poor header which went straight to a Liverpool player, and Devenny was 'Ball-watching' when the cross was headed back into the danger zone which allowed Salah to power in front of him and slam the ball into the net.

So Glasner was wrong then?
I can see where you are coming from in terms of other mistakes, but the main catalyst was the original easy concession by Esse.

I don't believe it was this in isolation though that led to the substitution.
Glasner made the broader point about players playing for themselves rather than the team.

Furthermore, Glasner also suggested that if players look for excuses the team will struggle as it did at the beginning of the season.

His view seems to be that the real crime is to aim low and still miss.
Accordingly, perform to the highest level that is attainable and see where that takes you.

I endorse this approach whether you're a rookie or an experienced professional.

 

[Ex Dubai Eagle]

Shame as if he had crossed we had men in the box. It did directly lead to their goal when he lost it as players waiting for the ball over. Oh well hope he doesn’t become afraid to do some tricks but right place right time.

I am sure OG & his team will use the right measure(s) of scolding & encouragement to guide him in the right direction, if he responds it will be splendid (wow, havent used that word in a while) if he dosent , as others have said he will likely be out on loan -

 

[taylors lovechild]

It's tough for Esse as he hasn't had huge amounts of game time, so he probably feels he needs to make the most of what time he does get when what he needs to do is listen to OG, even if that means doing the less glamorous stuff well without the Kodak camera moments. He showed against Wolves he's a talented player and if he gets more starts then hopefully he'll relax and focus more on his role in the team.

We're usually incredibly efficient going forward but yesterday we were not. On another day we could have had at least three goals, so I can understand OG's frustration. The defence looked fairly solid, aside from the goal. As others have said, including Glasner, Mitchell was the standout player. His composure on the ball, his turns and his passing were all top notch. Carry on playing like that next season and he'll be in the England squad.

 

[steeleye20]

The incident involving Esse was not solely to blame for the Liverpool goal,if indeed any culpability can be attached to the incident which occurred near the opposition goalmouth.
Mitchell's poor header which went straight to a Liverpool player, and Devenny was 'Ball-watching' when the cross was headed back into the danger zone which allowed Salah to power in front of him and slam the ball into the net.

It was actually a deflection off Lacroix, nothing special.

Why do players turn their backs like that it's only a football and just means they cannot see it.

😎

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Glasner’s game is all about maximum efficiency, which means making as many correct decisions on the field as possible and minimising incorrect decisions.

Look at our goals in the latter part of this season - win the ball , pass it forward accurately and then finish or assist.
Three of four touches from the opposition being in possession to the ball being in the back of the net.

Wharton is a master of this and we saw a classic example from Mitchell doing this yesterday.

Esse is young and made incorrect decisions yesterday which is why he was substituted.
The test is whether he can learn from this and do as Glasner requires to maximise efficiency .
During the friendly in Malaga , Glasner could be heard on the touchline shouting , ‘Roman, where are you going?’
It’s all about how he responds to the coaching and understanding his role within the team framework.
We have seen massive improvements from the likes of Mateta and Hughes under Glasner, but others like JRS have fallen by the wayside.

I’m not just picking out Esse as Glasner called out one or two others yesterday for playing for themselves rather than the team.
In his podcast a few weeks ago Glasner said this was his main ‘non -negotiable’ in terms of what he requires from his players.

Glasner is demanding, but surely we all want high standards maintained and continue to see the improved performances that we are witnessing?

Interesting. Positional sense and decision making seems to be more inate in some players but others can learn and improve in order to become top class performers; skill is a given.
People used to say Jimmy Greaves was in the right place at the right time to score lots of easy goals and his answer was that he needed to be in the right place every time.

 

[Badger11]

So Glasner was wrong then?
I can see where you are coming from in terms of other mistakes, but the main catalyst was the original easy concession by Esse.

I don't believe it was this in isolation though that led to the substitution.
Glasner made the broader point about players playing for themselves rather than the team.

Furthermore, Glasner also suggested that if players look for excuses the team will struggle as it did at the beginning of the season.

His view seems to be that the real crime is to aim low and still miss.
Accordingly, perform to the highest level that is attainable and see where that takes you.

I endorse this approach whether you're a rookie or an experienced professional.

I like the idea that after a draw at Anfield which I will take all day our manager is having a go at the players.

 

[ASCPFC]

It's tough for Esse as he hasn't had huge amounts of game time, so he probably feels he needs to make the most of what time he does get when what he needs to do is listen to OG, even if that means doing the less glamorous stuff well without the Kodak camera moments. He showed against Wolves he's a talented player and if he gets more starts then hopefully he'll relax and focus more on his role in the team.

We're usually incredibly efficient going forward but yesterday we were not. On another day we could have had at least three goals, so I can understand OG's frustration. The defence looked fairly solid, aside from the goal. As others have said, including Glasner, Mitchell was the standout player. His composure on the ball, his turns and his passing were all top notch. Carry on playing like that next season and he'll be in the England squad.

We're actually one of the least efficient teams going forward. We were last in the league for converting goal chances into goals. It's probably our major issue of the season. Particularly at the beginning of the season. Remember scratching your head and thinking: how did we lose so easily - the game didn't seem like that?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It was actually a deflection off Lacroix, nothing special.

Why do players turn their backs like that it's only a football and just means they cannot see it.

😎

Maybe they need to practice a bit with goalkeepers who generally manage to face the ball when it's coming at them.

 

[steeleye20]

A point away to champions Liverpool and the manager is not happy, I do like it.

'Palace should have beaten Liverpool', I thought so too, TM was great btw.

Next time I am expecting 9-0 to Palace to avenge that defeat, ok I'll take 7-0 for the home drubbing under Roy.

Anything less and we are rubbish.

🙂🙂🙂🙂

 

[PatrickA]

Interesting. Positional sense and decision making seems to be more inate in some players but others can learn and improve in order to become top class performers; skill is a given.
People used to say Jimmy Greaves was in the right place at the right time to score lots of easy goals and his answer was that he needed to be in the right place every time.

Players develop at different stages.
Wharton and Guehi played with maturity at young ages, the proverbial 'old heads on young shoulders.'
That's probably quite rare.

Giggs always had good dribbling skills, pace and athleticism .
However, I felt he was closer to 30 before he consistently produced accurate crosses and final balls.
Hopefully Esse will get there sooner.

 

[mtp1958]

Poor game both teams just wanted it over , passing awol , and defending , MOM Deano but both keepers didnt have to much todo , Think the rematch will be different , but had fun with liverpool fans in my local , hic lol

 

[taylors lovechild]

We're actually one of the least efficient teams going forward. We were last in the league for converting goal chances into goals. It's probably our major issue of the season. Particularly at the beginning of the season. Remember scratching your head and thinking: how did we lose so easily - the game didn't seem like that?

I meant more in terms of creating chances. I agree we have been wasteful in finishing them. Yesterday the team wasted numerous chances to deliver a final ball when the player had time and space, Sarr being a key culprit (although he took his goal really well). Liverpool's defence was so wide open we really should have taken advantage. I thought JP looked a bit off the pace too and was slow to get back onside, which didn't help.

 

[MrRobbo]

Glasner’s game is all about maximum efficiency, which means making as many correct decisions on the field as possible and minimising incorrect decisions.

Look at our goals in the latter part of this season - win the ball , pass it forward accurately and then finish or assist.
Three of four touches from the opposition being in possession to the ball being in the back of the net.

Wharton is a master of this and we saw a classic example from Mitchell doing this yesterday.

Esse is young and made incorrect decisions yesterday which is why he was substituted.
The test is whether he can learn from this and do as Glasner requires to maximise efficiency .
During the friendly in Malaga , Glasner could be heard on the touchline shouting , ‘Roman, where are you going?’
It’s all about how he responds to the coaching and understanding his role within the team framework.
We have seen massive improvements from the likes of Mateta and Hughes under Glasner, but others like JRS have fallen by the wayside.

I’m not just picking out Esse as Glasner called out one or two others yesterday for playing for themselves rather than the team.
In his podcast a few weeks ago Glasner said this was his main ‘non -negotiable’ in terms of what he requires from his players.

Glasner is demanding, but surely we all want high standards maintained and continue to see the improved performances that we are witnessing?

100%.

I think we can trust that Glasner knows what he's doing on this front. We are a 'sum is greater than its parts' teams. We work because the system works, and when players start playing for themselves the model falls down.

I suspect he also knows/hopes that this method will work with Romain. He's clearly very talented, but this level is so much more complicated than the clichéd 'let the boy enjoy himself' football.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

100%.

I think we can trust that Glasner knows what he's doing on this front. We are a 'sum is greater than its parts' teams. We work because the system works, and when players start playing for themselves the model falls down.

I suspect he also knows/hopes that this method will work with Romain. He's clearly very talented, but this level is so much more complicated than the clichéd 'let the boy enjoy himself' football.

True. Wonder how a young Wilf would have developed in a Glasner team?