Leeds v Crystal Palace Match Thread

[Paul Salvage]

That was a truly awful performance, and one to quickly forget, however as fans we are so emotionally invested in every game.
I have tried over the (many) years to be more balanced in my emotions and opinions. In all reality we are not the greatest team in the world whenever we win and also it’s not always the boards fault whenever we lose.
The true joy of supporting Palace over many years is the story of where we were and where we are now. I am not sure why we have this recent demand for success and entitlement, my greatest dream was fulfilled last year by winning the FA cup and yes it would be wonderful to kick on but look at the size of our club. I could probably name about 20 teams that are bigger than us and have had nowhere near the success we have had for the past 12 years.

 

[Jimenez]

Is Mateta looking to leave or is he fishing for a new contract? Why is he playing if he has a knee problem?
Is Uche not given starts because the club has no intention of buying him?

My thoughts are that he has a mind set of a player who thinks he's better than he is & has one eye on a move, so his mindset is all wrong. Personally I'd keep him on the bench & play Uche

 

[Adrift]

Shocking performance, 3 players out and we have nothing, no Sarr/Munoz/Kamada plus a defence that seemed totally gormless and Mateta totally out of form.
No midfield at all, Mateta so out of form not holding the ball up, Nketia running around like a headless chicken. Bugger all coming up the right.
It needs a rethink on selection to patch it up.
I'd start Uche and rest Mateta, in fairness is rumoured not to be fully fit.
Devenny played as wing back for NI, maybe they should try that out in training, how the feck you do anything with that midfield I don't know.

 

[syd snot]

Tough one to take that.
Leeds deserved everything they got but our usual three amigos at the back looked completely out of sorts and up top Mateta needs a rest and a chance to sort his knee out.
Just put that one down to a freakish bad day and let's hope we can get maybe three good buys in January to get us back to some form.
The lads look knackered and need help.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

There are rules about spending in the PL. Palace could have £billions in potential investment, but I think what the club spends has to be proportionate to income.
Plus other factors, like Palace's wage structure. Perhaps players don't see Palace as a desirable club. Maybe we're outbid by clubs with better spending power.
Although it could just be down to poor recruitment, or doing stuff too late.
Palace have a great team, but a poor squad.
Hopefully Glasner will hang around long enough to sort some solutions

 

[Paul Salvage]

Making excuses.

SP runs the club the other billionaires are meaningless they have given him the power to do the day to day running.

The guy is not a good business man which is why he has only made money of the backs of others plus him currently taking out of the club is how he has his wealth.

I am not even going to getting into the shady stuff on how he managed to take over the club with lets not forget others it wasn't just himself.

Tex funded the academy.

What the team did on the pitch is not down to SP that is on those players and OG.

Palace has money but he wont do what all proper business people do take risks and has no ambition this is very clear to see with the constant selling best players and not then spending to replace (Always looking for bargains and even then messing about so we end up losing out on very good targets)

You have forgot that SP was the one that brought those names you listed minus Johnson into the club because he didn't want to fund it himself.

I bet you would be happy to be a pound behind him!
If you want millions of pounds invested then can I suggest Man City or Chelsea?

 

[Team of the (20)80s]

There are rules about spending in the PL. Palace could have £billions in potential investment, but I think what the club spends has to be proportionate to income.
Plus other factors, like Palace's wage structure. Perhaps players don't see Palace as a desirable club. Maybe we're outbid by clubs with better spending power.
Although it could just be down to poor recruitment, or doing stuff too late.
Palace have a great team, but a poor squad.
Hopefully Glasner will hang around long enough to sort some solutions

Yeah and according to Parish the rules will get tougher in the Summer particularly for clubs like us, Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton.

His argument for our lack of spending in the Summer was paying off previous transfers. To be fair we did invest in Wharton and Munoz and it won us the FA Cup.

Tough to take and we have had a huge reality check. Hate the game not the players (or something like that).

 

[Adrift]

I've seen sone criticism of Parish. Apart from oil rich countries no one with any sense takes over a club to splurge money in it, certainly not the billionaires we have here.
Remember who we are, our crowd is 25k which determines our long term income that puts us mid to top championship at best. Parish has had in the Prem since 2013, that is seriously overperforming for our size, no longer the classic yoyo club.
The next level isn't spending cash on players we can't afford, its increasing the gate, I think we all know that. 36K gates will put us in the bottom half of the Prem in terms of income.

Having said that, god, we need some reinforcements in Jan.

 

[eaglesdare]

Making excuses.

SP runs the club the other billionaires are meaningless they have given him the power to do the day to day running.

The guy is not a good business man which is why he has only made money of the backs of others plus him currently taking out of the club is how he has his wealth.

I am not even going to getting into the shady stuff on how he managed to take over the club with lets not forget others it wasn't just himself.

Tex funded the academy.

What the team did on the pitch is not down to SP that is on those players and OG.

Palace has money but he wont do what all proper business people do take risks and has no ambition this is very clear to see with the constant selling best players and not then spending to replace (Always looking for bargains and even then messing about so we end up losing out on very good targets)

You have forgot that SP was the one that brought those names you listed minus Johnson into the club because he didn't want to fund it himself.

Blimey. Steve parish has many flaws. But I think you are being very harsh on him. 10+ years in the prem, two trophies, european footie, stable accounts...what more do you want as a palace fan.

He may well retire in a few years SP and we will look back on the glory years he brought us.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

There are rules about spending in the PL. Palace could have £billions in potential investment, but I think what the club spends has to be proportionate to income.
Plus other factors, like Palace's wage structure. Perhaps players don't see Palace as a desirable club. Maybe we're outbid by clubs with better spending power.
Although it could just be down to poor recruitment, or doing stuff too late.
Palace have a great team, but a poor squad.
Hopefully Glasner will hang around long enough to sort some solutions

In other words the Premier League is designed to be anti-competitive. A few favoured clubs and a lot of cannon fodder.

 

[rob1861]

Making excuses.

SP runs the club the other billionaires are meaningless they have given him the power to do the day to day running.

The guy is not a good business man which is why he has only made money of the backs of others plus him currently taking out of the club is how he has his wealth.

I am not even going to getting into the shady stuff on how he managed to take over the club with lets not forget others it wasn't just himself.

Tex funded the academy.

What the team did on the pitch is not down to SP that is on those players and OG.

Palace has money but he wont do what all proper business people do take risks and has no ambition this is very clear to see with the constant selling best players and not then spending to replace (Always looking for bargains and even then messing about so we end up losing out on very good targets)

You have forgot that SP was the one that brought those names you listed minus Johnson into the club because he didn't want to fund it himself.

Taking out a £150m loan isn't a risk?

I respect your perspective but politely disagree. He takes educated risks and has steered us to our most successful period in our history. The previous owner took bigger business risks and it ended with us on the edge of liquidation.

 

[orpingtoneagle]

Not in my view, but each can draw their own conclusions. Parish is a millionaire who is flanked by 3 billionaires who could more easily invest in that squad. They all agree on the approach, not just Parish (he's said this in the media himself)

Also, making excuses for Parish... club on verge of being bankrupt in 2010, didn't own training facilities, ground or academy, now to established for over ten years in the PL (longest in history), state of the art facilities that we now own, stand finally being developed and will be the first major ground developments since 1994. Not bad from him really, and an FA cup and Community shield to boot for our first major trophies.

Pretty good performance from him over his tenure if looking at it objectively.

I'm as frustrated as any other Palace fan, but it's the whole management group in my view i.e. Blitzer, Harris and Johnson too.

Sorry we cannot just hark back to 2010 it was 15 years ago. We have in the past stayed up by the skin of our teeth and that is not down to Parish it's down to sometimes sheer luck.

He got very lucky with OG but after our best ever season he sold one England international and probably would have sold two. We have needed to invest in the squad for years and for every good buy there has been a duffer.

We had a golden opportunity this year. We are in danger of standing still (ok better than going backwards) this season when we could have had a lot more....

 

[dynamicdick]

The lack of investment in the Summer is now glaringly obvious as is the difference in ambitions between Glasner and Parish.

 

[rob1861]

Sorry we cannot just hark back to 2010 it was 15 years ago. We have in the past stayed up by the skin of our teeth and that is not down to Parish it's down to sometimes sheer luck.

He got very lucky with OG but after our best ever season he sold one England international and probably would have sold two. We have needed to invest in the squad for years and for every good buy there has been a duffer.

We had a golden opportunity this year. We are in danger of standing still (ok better than going backwards) this season when we could have had a lot more....

Again i respect your view but "harking back to 2010" gives perspective of how far we've come.

I agree we had a golden opportunity to invest more in the playing squad in the summer, i'm also frustrated we didn't take it, but it's not an excuse to say Parish has done an amazing job...

Also my comment is that the 3 billionaires are equally welcome to invest more in the team but don't, my original statement was it's not all on Parish in terms of the lack of investment and i still believe that to be true. Investors are there for profits, especially 3 Americans with no connection to the club prior to investment.

Therefore the club has to self sustain and we are punching well above our weight right now.

 

[Sportyteacher]

Thank god I’ve got the Ashes to look forward to tonight 😂.

Glasner wanted as manager by England Cricket Team 😉

 

[rob1861]

Glasner wanted as manager by England Cricket Team 😉

Glaz ball?

 

[Paul Salvage]

Sorry we cannot just hark back to 2010 it was 15 years ago. We have in the past stayed up by the skin of our teeth and that is not down to Parish it's down to sometimes sheer luck.

He got very lucky with OG but after our best ever season he sold one England international and probably would have sold two. We have needed to invest in the squad for years and for every good buy there has been a duffer.

We had a golden opportunity this year. We are in danger of standing still (ok better than going backwards) this season when we could have had a lot more....

That can be said of every single team, even the likes of Brighton and Brentford etc.make mistakes in the transfer market. The more you buy the greater the risk. I’m not saying we shouldn’t invest, but it really is not as easy as people think.
Newcastle brought on Elanga and Wissa today from their Bench and they both cost over £50m each.
Players prices are so over inflated that we can not compete in the same market and rely on cheaper options. Some work Olise, Eze, Wharton and some don’t Esse !

 

[Willo]

Perhaps as Glasner sat in the dugout surveying the wreckage a thought came across his mind "This is what happens when you win the FA Cup, gain a place in Europe and you save in the summer rather than invest".

 

[Crazy_Eagle]

Making excuses.

SP runs the club the other billionaires are meaningless they have given him the power to do the day to day running.

The guy is not a good business man which is why he has only made money of the backs of others plus him currently taking out of the club is how he has his wealth.

I am not even going to getting into the shady stuff on how he managed to take over the club with lets not forget others it wasn't just himself.

Tex funded the academy.

What the team did on the pitch is not down to SP that is on those players and OG.

Palace has money but he wont do what all proper business people do take risks and has no ambition this is very clear to see with the constant selling best players and not then spending to replace (Always looking for bargains and even then messing about so we end up losing out on very good targets)

You have forgot that SP was the one that brought those names you listed minus Johnson into the club because he didn't want to fund it himself.

Simon Jordan, is that you?

 

[lellbell]

This is where all our previous missed chances comes back to bite us,up till tonight we had the highest xg in the Premier league but not taking our chances has cost us 7-10😛oints look where we could have been and then one awful performance which can be expected,and we look like we could go on a downward spiral,football and palace are mad!!