Kamada will be an asset

[pssguy]

A comparison between Wharton, Hughes, Lerma, Kamada & Devenny based on this season's league games only:




Is he that bad?

yep. Pass completition is such a blunt stat a bit like possession. Just because you can measure something does not mean it has any worth. Short passes backwards are easy; line splitting lengthy ones - not so much. But much more valuable

 

[silvertop]

Wrong. He has just signed a new/improved contract.

Excuse me I am NEVER wrong.

(Occasionally I may be factually misdirected.)

 

[silvertop]

John Pratt used to get absolute dog's abuse off the Tottenham crowd. He was there for 11 years and played over 400 games and it never stopped. It was almost a ritual that when his name was announced the whole ground would erupt with booing.
He never hid and always tried his best. Bet they wish they had a few with his attitude now.

11 years being booed by your own fans. That's Panto. Also, unless he got off on it, would you not opt for a free to Orient just for a break from the abuse.

 

[Jim_Cannon]

To help some of you get over the line with Kamada wages. He was a player out of contract in Italy. This meant he could negotiate his sale and future wages to another club. We offered him £100k/wk for two years, so his total cost to us is £10million.
That's it.
If you say he was worth £5m to buy which arguably would have been a bargain, then the resulting maths would give him £50k/week wages for two years.
Whichever way you slice it, he is not expensive, and you can't compare his £100k/wk salary with other players who we paid for, Kamada was free.

Yep spot on. We can judge his performances but his financial cost to the club was minimal in premier league terms

 

[Teddy Eagle]

11 years being booed by your own fans. That's Panto. Also, unless he got off on it, would you not opt for a free to Orient just for a break from the abuse.

Personally I would, yes.
Here's a quote from Wikipedia.

I had been getting it in the neck a bit from some of the sections of the crowd at Spurs but Bill expected his players to be men, and he said that the crowd paid our wages and were entitled to have their opinions. So one day, before I was due to play my first game at Old Trafford, I asked him what I could expect. He replied that it would just be like playing at Spurs, except that up there 55,000 people would hate me, whereas at Spurs it was only 45,000!

 

[DenTyler]

11 years being booed by your own fans. That's Panto. Also, unless he got off on it, would you not opt for a free to Orient just for a break from the abuse.

Oh no it isn’t

 

[Casual]

Yeah I get this. We should have paid him 5 mil signing on fee and 50 grand a week.
That way it wouldn’t be a big deal on here and probably pissed off half the first team.

To help some of you get over the

line with Kamada wages. He was a player out of contract in Italy. This meant he could negotiate his sale and future wages to another club. We offered him £100k/wk for two years, so his total cost to us is £10million.
That's it.
If you say he was worth £5m to buy which arguably would have been a bargain, then the resulting maths would give him £50k/week wages for two years.
Whichever way you slice it, he is not expensive, and you can't compare his £100k/wk salary with other players who we paid for, Kamada was free.

 

[sprites]

Is just not true though.

Every mistake he makes is scrutinised beyond belief. But people conveniently forget some of the neat passing to get out of defence that lead to one of the goals. Or the assist he should have had.

Not specific to our fans of course, but we have a pretty nasty habit of writing of players way too soon. How many people were slamming Lacroix after a few games? Nketiah has been vilified. TM seams to have escaped the bashing, but he was the target earlier in the season.

I've used the word binary before, but thats how a lot of fans see it. He's either good or sh1t. But thats not reality. IMO its clear that Nketiah is lively and a good finisher. I think its clear that Kamada is a technically tidy footballer. Does it always work out no, do they always make the right decisions, no. But that doesn't make them sh1t.

I also back Glasner, and think he knows what he's doing. He's not picking a terrible player over Hughes and Deveney, so what does he see that 'we' dont.

Lets say hypothetically, Hughes tears around trying to tackle anything he can see, but as a result gets pulled out of position a lot. With KDB and Gunduen, thats a death sentence. Kamada is a more inteligent presser (which looks slower to fans) but tactically is better for containment.

Ans lastly, I'm conscious that (as a casual fan with no higher training) there are facets of the game that I just cant see. e.g. I'm aware that Glasner will be seeing different things to what I see. Blocking passing channels, deciding when to press etc, and there will be some that are important in different games. e.g. JMP didn't have a good first half, but I didnt feel like it was bad enough to get hauled off. Glasner clearly wasn't happy.

I get all that. I really do. And I applaud you delving into the subject. I am not one of those who see things as binary. Pretty much every player has good facets and bad ones. Of course Glasner knows best. But usually with players I can see at least one redeeming feature...but it's just really hard with Daichi at the moment. I'd argue Hughes is even better in possession, which is saying something, as he's definitely more of a defensive asset.