Kamada will be an asset

[MrRobbo]

He was. Or at least, he was the catalyst. None of those players have ever, ever been as bad as him. Never.

Is just not true though.

Every mistake he makes is scrutinised beyond belief. But people conveniently forget some of the neat passing to get out of defence that lead to one of the goals. Or the assist he should have had.

Not specific to our fans of course, but we have a pretty nasty habit of writing of players way too soon. How many people were slamming Lacroix after a few games? Nketiah has been vilified. TM seams to have escaped the bashing, but he was the target earlier in the season.

I've used the word binary before, but thats how a lot of fans see it. He's either good or sh1t. But thats not reality. IMO its clear that Nketiah is lively and a good finisher. I think its clear that Kamada is a technically tidy footballer. Does it always work out no, do they always make the right decisions, no. But that doesn't make them sh1t.

I also back Glasner, and think he knows what he's doing. He's not picking a terrible player over Hughes and Deveney, so what does he see that 'we' dont.

Lets say hypothetically, Hughes tears around trying to tackle anything he can see, but as a result gets pulled out of position a lot. With KDB and Gunduen, thats a death sentence. Kamada is a more inteligent presser (which looks slower to fans) but tactically is better for containment.

Ans lastly, I'm conscious that (as a casual fan with no higher training) there are facets of the game that I just cant see. e.g. I'm aware that Glasner will be seeing different things to what I see. Blocking passing channels, deciding when to press etc, and there will be some that are important in different games. e.g. JMP didn't have a good first half, but I didnt feel like it was bad enough to get hauled off. Glasner clearly wasn't happy.

 

[PatrickA]

Most teams have a boo boy, whether it’s fair or not.
I think back to the likes of Nicky Chatterton and Alan Pardew ( before the semi final) .
Indeed the team of Brian Bason, David Price and Tommy Langley was made up almost exclusively of boo boys!

The fans here have never taken to Kamada and it will take something like a Pardew semi final moment to turn things around for him.

At least most of the dislike of him is largely confined to the likes of these forums.
It’s not something I’m aware of at the ground.
In times gone by fans would vociferously scream abuse at whoever the boo boy happened to be.
Thankfully that’s largely disappeared.

 

[Willo]

Is just not true though.

Every mistake he makes is scrutinised beyond belief. But people conveniently forget some of the neat passing to get out of defence that lead to one of the goals. Or the assist he should have had.

Not specific to our fans of course, but we have a pretty nasty habit of writing of players way too soon. How many people were slamming Lacroix after a few games? Nketiah has been vilified. TM seams to have escaped the bashing, but he was the target earlier in the season.

I've used the word binary before, but thats how a lot of fans see it. He's either good or sh1t. But thats not reality. IMO its clear that Nketiah is lively and a good finisher. I think its clear that Kamada is a technically tidy footballer. Does it always work out no, do they always make the right decisions, no. But that doesn't make them sh1t.

I also back Glasner, and think he knows what he's doing. He's not picking a terrible player over Hughes and Deveney, so what does he see that 'we' dont.

Lets say hypothetically, Hughes tears around trying to tackle anything he can see, but as a result gets pulled out of position a lot. With KDB and Gunduen, thats a death sentence. Kamada is a more inteligent presser (which looks slower to fans) but tactically is better for containment.

Ans lastly, I'm conscious that (as a casual fan with no higher training) there are facets of the game that I just cant see. e.g. I'm aware that Glasner will be seeing different things to what I see. Blocking passing channels, deciding when to press etc, and there will be some that are important in different games. e.g. JMP didn't have a good first half, but I didnt feel like it was bad enough to get hauled off. Glasner clearly wasn't happy.

An insightful and judicious contribution to the debate.
I garland your post with approbation. 👍

 

[NEILLO]

Is just not true though.

Every mistake he makes is scrutinised beyond belief. But people conveniently forget some of the neat passing to get out of defence that lead to one of the goals. Or the assist he should have had.

Not specific to our fans of course, but we have a pretty nasty habit of writing of players way too soon. How many people were slamming Lacroix after a few games? Nketiah has been vilified. TM seams to have escaped the bashing, but he was the target earlier in the season.

I've used the word binary before, but thats how a lot of fans see it. He's either good or sh1t. But thats not reality. IMO its clear that Nketiah is lively and a good finisher. I think its clear that Kamada is a technically tidy footballer. Does it always work out no, do they always make the right decisions, no. But that doesn't make them sh1t.

I also back Glasner, and think he knows what he's doing. He's not picking a terrible player over Hughes and Deveney, so what does he see that 'we' dont.

Lets say hypothetically, Hughes tears around trying to tackle anything he can see, but as a result gets pulled out of position a lot. With KDB and Gunduen, thats a death sentence. Kamada is a more inteligent presser (which looks slower to fans) but tactically is better for containment.

Ans lastly, I'm conscious that (as a casual fan with no higher training) there are facets of the game that I just cant see. e.g. I'm aware that Glasner will be seeing different things to what I see. Blocking passing channels, deciding when to press etc, and there will be some that are important in different games. e.g. JMP didn't have a good first half, but I didnt feel like it was bad enough to get hauled off. Glasner clearly wasn't happy.

I think part of the issue with Kamada is that he hasn't built up any ' collateral ' with the fans. By that I mean, as an example, if Hughsie had made that poorly timed tackle which led to City's first goal then we would have written it off as a mistake that he's well capable of. But because of all the things he offers to the team he can be easily excused / forgiven. Kamada doesn't have that yet.

Glasner has worked with Kamada before and knows what he's capable of. So he's persevering with him because he has faith in him. Again, us fans haven't seen the version of the player that warrants that confidence.

Kamada has clearly found the Premier League a challenge. And he has to do his learning in the public eye with no place to hide. I'm still hopeful that there's a lot more to come from him.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

He's a strange one because his YouTube highlights (hardly conclusive I know) show a player scoring from distance, finding space, timing his runs, scoring penalties & free kicks and generally displaying a different skill set to that we've seen. It could be that he's not suited to the physicality and pace of the PL but he can certainly play; even if he needs to be further up the pitch to prosper.

 

[ASCPFC]

Why do we need to have Kamada learning on the pitch when we have players who can already handle the Premier league? Last weekend Hughes was on the bench and we were, in Glasner's own words, being overrun in midfield.
We also have Devenny - who I'm finding entirely preferable than Kamada as he seems proficient enough without having to learn anything. Plus he's probably on a few grand a week - if that.
As Neillo pointed out, his wages do matter. The other players will be well aware of what he's earning. I'd be asking for parity with my fellow employees - and if I were better I'd want more. So frankly, Hughes could ask for a lot more, as he's a lot better than Kamada
However, I'd agree with Teddy that Kamada needs to be up the pitch. Yet, Glasner played him holding - which is clearly wrong. He can't play that role. He's not at all physical and he's not at all defensive. Except for fouling poorly due to lack of positioning and tackling technique.
So a lot of this is on Glasner - who clearly isn't infallible. Although he does have two games to become the messiah this season.

 

[silvertop]

Most teams have a boo boy, whether it’s fair or not.
I think back to the likes of Nicky Chatterton and Alan Pardew ( before the semi final) .
Indeed the team of Brian Bason, David Price and Tommy Langley was made up almost exclusively of boo boys!

The fans here have never taken to Kamada and it will take something like a Pardew semi final moment to turn things around for him.

At least most of the dislike of him is largely confined to the likes of these forums.
It’s not something I’m aware of at the ground.
In times gone by fans would vociferously scream abuse at whoever the boo boy happened to be.
Thankfully that’s largely disappeared.

I was at college in Newcastle in the mid 1980s. I went to quite a few games at St James'. There was a toon player who was so unpopular that, whenever he came on, the home fans all booed loudly. It was deafening. He was only young too. Poor lad.

I think John Barnes may have got the bird a bit towards the end of his England career, but otherwise that is a first and last for me.

 

[silvertop]

Why do we need to have Kamada learning on the pitch when we have players who can already handle the Premier league? Last weekend Hughes was on the bench and we were, in Glasner's own words, being overrun in midfield.
We also have Devenny - who I'm finding entirely preferable than Kamada as he seems proficient enough without having to learn anything. Plus he's probably on a few grand a week - if that.
As Neillo pointed out, his wages do matter. The other players will be well aware of what he's earning. I'd be asking for parity with my fellow employees - and if I were better I'd want more. So frankly, Hughes could ask for a lot more, as he's a lot better than Kamada
However, I'd agree with Teddy that Kamada needs to be up the pitch. Yet, Glasner played him holding - which is clearly wrong. He can't play that role. He's not at all physical and he's not at all defensive. Except for fouling poorly due to lack of positioning and tackling technique.
So a lot of this is on Glasner - who clearly isn't infallible. Although he does have two games to become the messiah this season.

Won't get it. Too old. His bargaining position is too weak.

 

[Eagleman13]

Won't get it. Too old. His bargaining position is too weak.

Wrong. He has just signed a new/improved contract.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Wrong. He has just signed a new/improved contract.

Won't be anywhere near £100k a week though.

Either way, he has certainly earned an improved contact, irrespective of what Kamada is earning.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I was at college in Newcastle in the mid 1980s. I went to quite a few games at St James'. There was a toon player who was so unpopular that, whenever he came on, the home fans all booed loudly. It was deafening. He was only young too. Poor lad.

I think John Barnes may have got the bird a bit towards the end of his England career, but otherwise that is a first and last for me.

John Pratt used to get absolute dog's abuse off the Tottenham crowd. He was there for 11 years and played over 400 games and it never stopped. It was almost a ritual that when his name was announced the whole ground would erupt with booing.
He never hid and always tried his best. Bet they wish they had a few with his attitude now.

 

[Noz]

I don't post too often, but I feel obliged here.

I can remember players, like Mile Jedinak, who, when they first arrived were awful: misplaced passes, bad tackles, no idea of positioning. Then Mile, after some time turned into a powerhouse of a defensive midfielder. I never used to like Michael Hughes, but soon realized how good he was. Ben Watson also fits into this category a bit.

Kamada, let's not forget, reputedly on high wages (highest at the club?) has absolutely no premier league experience. Since he first played, I see no improvement or development. His tackling is generally poor, he gives away too many fouls in sensitive areas on the pitch. His passing is often poorly weighted, or just inaccurate. He isn't fast (yes, I know this is not necessary for his position), and he isn't imposing. His positioning up the field is poor (in his defensive positions, he is ok) - in advanced stages of the field I see him flapping around, trotting about, and not doing anything to affect or progress the play.

So, we have a player that isn't improving, can't tackle, can't pass and can't play in the advanced portion of the field very well. He isn't fast, or physical.

Sorry, but I would have Devenny to Kamada any day. For the life of me, i cannot see why Glasner continues to play him. Maybe it's down to some kind of loyalty, or "I recommended him" perspective.

Just my two penneth. I am sure there will be many Kamada'ites who will jump to his defence.

 

[Eaglehamster]

I don't post too often, but I feel obliged here.

I can remember players, like Mile Jedinak, who, when they first arrived were awful: misplaced passes, bad tackles, no idea of positioning. Then Mile, after some time turned into a powerhouse of a defensive midfielder. I never used to like Michael Hughes, but soon realized how good he was. Ben Watson also fits into this category a bit.

Kamada, let's not forget, reputedly on high wages (highest at the club?) has absolutely no premier league experience. Since he first played, I see no improvement or development. His tackling is generally poor, he gives away too many fouls in sensitive areas on the pitch. His passing is often poorly weighted, or just inaccurate. He isn't fast (yes, I know this is not necessary for his position), and he isn't imposing. His positioning up the field is poor (in his defensive positions, he is ok) - in advanced stages of the field I see him flapping around, trotting about, and not doing anything to affect or progress the play.

So, we have a player that isn't improving, can't tackle, can't pass and can't play in the advanced portion of the field very well. He isn't fast, or physical.

Sorry, but I would have Devenny to Kamada any day. For the life of me, i cannot see why Glasner continues to play him. Maybe it's down to some kind of loyalty, or "I recommended him" perspective.

Just my two penneth. I am sure there will be many Kamada'ites who will jump to his defence.

I doubt that somehow.

 

[pssguy]

John Pratt used to get absolute dog's abuse off the Tottenham crowd. He was there for 11 years and played over 400 games and it never stopped. It was almost a ritual that when his name was announced the whole ground would erupt with booing.
He never hid and always tried his best. Bet they wish they had a few with his attitude now.

His name has become part of the English language. So there is that

 

[Eaglehamster]

An insightful and judicious contribution to the debate.
I garland your post with approbation. 👍

Translation:

Willo agrees.

 

[VinceHilaire]

We sit in the Main Stand - and unfortunately EVERY mistake he makes is scrutinised by the same people around me.

Even when he does have a half decent game, the compliments are few and far between. His body language is a big indicator as to how he is feeling. He rarely smiles, looks nervous when on the ball and even some of his teammates are becoming frustrated with him. Not a recipe for a happy footballer.

I genuinely feel sorry for the guy. The season will be over soon and I personally feel he has a big decision to make about whether he has a future at Palace.

I prey he makes a decision which brings a smile back to his face.

 

[PatrickA]

John Pratt used to get absolute dog's abuse off the Tottenham crowd. He was there for 11 years and played over 400 games and it never stopped. It was almost a ritual that when his name was announced the whole ground would erupt with booing.
He never hid and always tried his best. Bet they wish they had a few with his attitude now.

With John Pratt it didn't help that his manager at that time, the dour Bill Nicholson, said of him, 'He'd be a good player if he could pass the ball.'
This in a passing team.
Talk about damning with faint praise.

Funnily enough I used to work with a chap who played schoolboy football with John Pratt and he was seen as the best young player in the county, with lots of clubs wanting to sign him
At Spurs though he had to compete with the great players they had at the time.

Nothing to do with Kamada, so apologies, but the mention of John Pratt took me down memory lane .

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Translation:

Willo agrees.

Indubitably. The Willo non homologation is vigorously contraindicated.

 

[Willo]

Indubitably. The Willo non homologation is vigorously contraindicated.

Oh my word, "Pass me the Thesaurus petal".
😀 👍

 

[dreamwaverider]

To help some of you get over the line with Kamada wages. He was a player out of contract in Italy. This meant he could negotiate his sale and future wages to another club. We offered him £100k/wk for two years, so his total cost to us is £10million.
That's it.
If you say he was worth £5m to buy which arguably would have been a bargain, then the resulting maths would give him £50k/week wages for two years.
Whichever way you slice it, he is not expensive, and you can't compare his £100k/wk salary with other players who we paid for, Kamada was free.