Israel v Iran

[HKOwen]

Iran should not have nuclear weapons. That clear enough for you Owen?

Yes, you agree with the destruction of the Iranian nuclear program, we agree Dan.

Oh hang on, you continue to dance on the head of the pin.

Perhaps if we sit them down and talk sternly they will destroy their own weapons program.

Yes or no is often a difficult area

Easier getting 2TK to answer a direct question.

Let's try one more time.

Dan, do you agree that the destruction of the Iranian nuclear threat by attack from the IDF or the USA is justified and necessary.

I vote yes it is

 

[DanH]

Yes, you agree with the destruction of the Iranian nuclear program, we agree Dan.

Oh hang on, you continue to dance on the head of the pin.

Perhaps if we sit them down and talk sternly they will destroy their own weapons program.

Yes or no is often a difficult area

Easier getting 2TK to answer a direct question.

Let's try one more time.

Dan, do you agree that the destruction of the Iranian nuclear threat by attack from the IDF or the USA is justified and necessary.

I vote yes it is

Well it looks like the US have done it. And yes btw, on balance.

 

[HKOwen]

Well it looks like the US have done it. And yes btw, on balance.

We are in agreement

Update: just seen CNN reporting B2 bombers engaged

Best way forward to avoid more death and destruction is total cessation of Iranian attacks, ousting of regime and allowing Iranian people to decide their own future, easier said than done.

This would significantly stabilise the region, Iranian proxies cut off from arms and finance, threat to neighbouring countries removed, win win unless you are part of the murderous regime.

 

[DanH]

We are in agreement

And so is Cucking apparently.

 

[HKOwen]

Who is that?

 

[ASCPFC]

Who is that?

Cucking's uncle

 

[DanH]

Who is that?

The Funt of all wisdom will tell you.

(Probably best to ignore, old private joke for someone who is still delightfully lurking apparently who liked your post)

 

[DanH]

Cucking's uncle

A euphemism if ever I’ve heard one

 

[DanH]

We are in agreement

Update: just seen CNN reporting B2 bombers engaged

Best way forward to avoid more death and destruction is total cessation of Iranian attacks, ousting of regime and allowing Iranian people to decide their own future, easier said than done.

This would significantly stabilise the region, Iranian proxies cut off from arms and finance, threat to neighbouring countries removed, win win unless you are part of the murderous regime.

I do agree btw.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

The big overnight strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities, could only have been completed by the USA and their hardware.
I think the general idea is to leave it to Israel to do the rest (militarily). Although Iran has a significantly larger army.
Probably regime change in Iran will happen, in the medium term. What the situation will be like then won't really be of any concern, because they won't have any military capability left.
What will be inevitable , is the new Iranian regime will do a deal with Trump over oil/aid.

 

[Spindle]

Cut the head off the snake.

Ayatollah is out, and that's best for the World.

Poots can sabre rattle all day but he knows the US could just do the same to his forces.

 

[HKOwen]

The big overnight strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities, could only have been completed by the USA and their hardware.
I think the general idea is to leave it to Israel to do the rest (militarily). Although Iran has a significantly larger army.
Probably regime change in Iran will happen, in the medium term. What the situation will be like then won't really be of any concern, because they won't have any military capability left.
What will be inevitable , is the new Iranian regime will do a deal with Trump over oil/aid.

With Iran normalised there is the potential for a very powerful middle Eastern economic and trade entity.
Saudi, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Iran, Qatar and , yes , I am serious, Israel. The basket cases like Yemen and Iraq I have no time for, I still have a " dream " to visit the historic sites of Syria but rather unlikely unless something dramatic happens

 

[Stirlingsays]

With Iran normalised there is the potential for a very powerful middle Eastern economic and trade entity.
Saudi, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Iran, Qatar and , yes , I am serious, Israel. The basket cases like Yemen and Iraq I have no time for, I still have a " dream " to visit the historic sites of Syria but rather unlikely unless something dramatic happens

Put the drugs down.

 

[Spindle]

I also think we'll see special forces in the very deep facilities to utterly destroy them soon. There's no way troops aren't going in.

Too deep now, the regime has to go completely.

 

[Badger11]

With Iran normalised there is the potential for a very powerful middle Eastern economic and trade entity.
Saudi, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Iran, Qatar and , yes , I am serious, Israel. The basket cases like Yemen and Iraq I have no time for, I still have a " dream " to visit the historic sites of Syria but rather unlikely unless something dramatic happens

My friend did a tour of Syria just before the civil war, she said it was fantastic and so were the people. One night we watched a documentary about the destruction of Palmyra she was in tears. I would love to go but it maybe a few years until that happens.

 

[silvertop]

OK Nostradamus.

There is no way you can predict the world without Israel.

I would agree that the State of Israel was a terrible idea, but it was born from a terrible set of circumstances.
Since Israel is a reality, an ally of the West, and in conflict with a sworn enemy, picking sides is a no brainer.
Unless of course you actually have no brain, or you side with Iran.

Funny.

I agree your comments about Israel but I also stand by my comments. They are both correct. Hence intractable.

I back Israel. I cannot back Netanyahu.

On Iran I would like to see their regime slowly denuded and sensibly replaced. But recall Iraq. Overthrew thinking could apply the precise methods used in Germany and look how that turned out. The well trained Republican Guard quietly morphed int Isis and the region continues to feel that pain. Do you think the IRG will be any different?

As an aside I am not wholly opposed to bombing the Iranian nuclear program. Some way off from a usable bomb but madness to wait till they were strike ready. Ironically I wish we had done it, not Israel.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Funny.

I agree your comments about Israel but I also stand by my comments. They are both correct. Hence intractable.

I back Israel. I cannot back Netanyahu.

On Iran I would like to see their regime slowly denuded and sensibly replaced. But recall Iraq. Overthrew thinking could apply the precise methods used in Germany and look how that turned out. The well trained Republican Guard quietly morphed int Isis and the region continues to feel that pain. Do you think the IRG will be any different?

As an aside I am not wholly opposed to bombing the Iranian nuclear program. Some way off from a usable bomb but madness to wait till they were strike ready. Ironically I wish we had done a.

There's no doubt that the aftermath of Iraq and Libya was far from ideal. The US protects its interests but doesn't seem too bothered about the aftermath. Is it method or madness? History will tell.
Israel is doing us a favour by attacking Iran. They want to survive and grow. Netanyahu is either a villain or a hero, depending on your point of view. Either way, he is on our side as far as it goes.

 

[Spindle]

How the hell would we do it? Airstrikes leading to a massive launch of their missiles into Tel Aviv?? Israel had hundreds of people on the ground embedded inside Iran with hundreds of drones and small missile systems ready to go in a simultaneous strike. They took a hell of a lot out in one go on the ground as well as the air.

Here's a decent video of a some of the methods they used, it's just not something that the USA or UK would be set up to do.

 

[Croydon Red]

Iran definitely needs regime change.

The problem is, so does Israel.

 

[kevlee]

What’s makes anyone think that Iran wants a western democracy?
Iraq didn’t, nor did Libya or Syria…
They are a strict Islamic state and always will be .