Israel v Iran

[HKOwen]

What is the left-wing obsession with skin colour ("lesser brown types")? It's got nothing to do with skin colour or race.

The only people who think Israel is the problem are the leftists, far right and Islam. Ideology driven people who have no interest in facts or morality.

Agree but which far right? The same far right who demanded justice for the thousands of child rape victims sacrificed on the Lefts's altar of multi culturalism and hatred of nation?

The Nazi's were socialists .

 

[silvertop]

There's a lot of anger here.....and for a war thousands of miles away, imagine what it would be like if...God forbid England starts a war with Wales.

No, actually that could be fun.

That annoying accent has to go.

Bog off! I live on the Front.

 

[silvertop]

I am simply pointing out your naivety.

The problem for the West is not Israel. The problem is Iran.

Maybe you side with Iran. It seems like it.

You are either engaging in purile bating or you have not read my earlier posts.

Or both?

Anyhow picture the middle east without Israel. 1979 would still have happened. Iran would still be a basket case. There would be prickly schism nonsense with the Sunni world. But there would now be normal relations with Europe and a free flow of oil our way for a good price.

And I am not advocating an end to Israel. Just a what if scenario to determine where the problem lies.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You are either engaging in purile bating or you have not read my earlier posts.

Or both?

Anyhow picture the middle east without Israel. 1979 would still have happened. Iran would still be a basket case. There would be prickly schism nonsense with the Sunni world. But there would now be normal relations with Europe and a free flow of oil our way for a good price.

OK Nostradamus.

There is no way you can predict the world without Israel.

I would agree that the State of Israel was a terrible idea, but it was born from a terrible set of circumstances.
Since Israel is a reality, an ally of the West, and in conflict with a sworn enemy, picking sides is a no brainer.
Unless of course you actually have no brain, or you side with Iran.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What is the left-wing obsession with skin colour ("lesser brown types")? It's got nothing to do with skin colour or race.

The only people who think Israel is the problem are the leftists, far right and Islam. Ideology driven people who have no interest in facts or morality.

A left wing obsession?

Don’t you read the posts from the site’s No 1 poster banging on about us “whites” being marginalised?

 

[Penge Eagle]

Agree but which far right? The same far right who demanded justice for the thousands of child rape victims sacrificed on the Lefts's altar of multi culturalism and hatred of nation?

The Nazi's were socialists .

The people you mention are obviously not far right by any definition. Only MSM and leftists use that brush. There are real far right political parties and supporters in continental Europe and USA. In fact many on the right in the USA are drifting into far right territory like Tucker Carlson, Dan Bilzerian and Candace Owens. Lots of the "America First" numpties.

Have you heard of the horseshoe theory where far left and far right align?

 

[Spindle]

You are either engaging in purile bating or you have not read my earlier posts.

Or both?

Anyhow picture the middle east without Israel. 1979 would still have happened. Iran would still be a basket case. There would be prickly schism nonsense with the Sunni world. But there would now be normal relations with Europe and a free flow of oil our way for a good price.

And I am not advocating an end to Israel. Just a what if scenario to determine where the problem lies.

Good job decent sensible people don't share your horrible dream

 

[HKOwen]

The people you mention are obviously not far right by any definition. Only MSM and leftists use that brush. There are real far right political parties and supporters in continental Europe and USA. In fact many on the right in the USA are drifting into far right territory like Tucker Carlson, Dan Bilzerian and Candace Owens. Lots of the "America First" numpties.

Have you heard of the horseshoe theory where far left and far right align?

Since I read Animal Farm at school I have believed the only difference between the two is whether they choose to persecute internally or externally. Hitler largely went external, Stalin was more comfortable killing millions closer to home.

Problem is words and labels, is being anti Socialism ,and for the USA, being anti the Squad type progressives far right? For it's just common sense, same as being anti Boris' green nonsense. It's not party political.

 

[HKOwen]

Good job decent sensible people don't share your horrible dream

but they can spell puerile !

 

[Penge Eagle]

A left wing obsession?

Don’t you read the posts from the site’s No 1 poster banging on about us “whites” being marginalised?

I think the context you refer to is different. Conservatives (small c) believe in merit and personal character, while leftists believe in identity politics eg DEI, Pride Month etc.

The Marxist ideology of oppressors v oppressed sees every event through the lense of: 1. Race;. 2. Class; 3. Power.

1. Whites v brown or brown v 'lesser brown" (silvertop); 2. Poor/lower class Palestinian people v rich Jews who also control the banks; 3. Israel's powerful rockets v Hamas and Iran's tiny ones/the "proportionality" nonsense or Israel aggressors v Iran "peaceful" (Chris123 + silvertop).

It's why they are unable to tackle facts and instead focus their ire on the West and capitalism. Israel is a shining beacon of capitalism and a great success story in the region. The left just cannot stand this and label them oppressors through their warped logic. So many useful idiots go along with it.

 

[HKOwen]

I think the context you refer to is different. Conservatives (small c) believe in merit, while leftists believe in identity politics eg DEI, Pride Month etc.

The Marxist ideology of oppressors v oppressed sees every event through the lense of: 1. Race; 2. Class; 3. Power.

It's why they are unable to tackle facts and instead focus their ire on the West and capitalism. Israel is a shining beacon of capitalism and a great success story in the region. The left just cannot stand this and label them oppressors.

yep

 

[Penge Eagle]

I disagree with current Israeli government policy. I do not hate Isreal as a country or Israeli people as a whole.

I have absolutely no issue with Jewish people as a collective. Never have done and never will do.

Trying to conflate the Israeli government with the entire Israeli population is bad enough. Let alone the entire Jewish community. Disingenuous and wholly offensive.

I think Jewish people would be wondering why you are more critical of Israeli government policies than you are of Gazan government policies (or even Iranian government policies), according to your posts. Throughout this conflict, you have rarely, if ever, given Israel the benefit of doubt or taken any of its actions in good faith.

The Israeli government has many flaws but its policies are FAR better than the other two on every available metric. We can go through them one by one if you like. I don't think you have bad intentions, just are incredibly naive.

PS From memory, I'm pretty sure you were critical of the previous Israeli government and the one before also.

 

[HKOwen]

I think Jewish people would be wondering why you are more critical of Israeli government policies than you are of Gazan government policies (or even Iranian government policies), according to your posts. Throughout this conflict, you have rarely, if ever, given Israel the benefit of doubt or taken any of its actions in good faith.

The Israeli government has many flaws but its policies are FAR better than the other two on every available metric. We can go through them one by one if you like. I don't think you have bad intentions, just are incredibly naive.

PS From memory, I'm pretty sure you were critical of the previous Israeli government and the one before also.

So presumably if current Israeli policy is to deny and degrade Iran to ever having the ability to have nuclear weapons , he disagrees with that and would be OK for Iran to have nuclear weapons.

It's binary, yes or no.

I suspect you will get some word salad about " it's not for Isreal or the USA to decide " which translates as it's ok for them to have nuclear bombs they can use on Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan etc etc.

If you get a NO, it's not ok then he is agreeing with Israel's current policy.

Or you might just get a YES

 

[HKOwen]

If Iran won't talk unless their conditions are met they can just sit and watch as they are further degraded and more senior leaders killed, I won't shed a tear except for the civilians who are pawns.

Just bomb their long range military capability out of existence, they seemingly have no air defences to speak of unless the Chinese have delivered a bunch of Sams

Probably the senior lesders will shelter in hospitals and schools etc ~Hamas style