Israel v Hamas

Stirlingsays said:
Yep, well over three years of fighting and they haven't quite taken 25 percent.
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And they snuck into 20% of that 25% in 2014.

Poland have been shagged hard multiple times by larger neighbours, especially in living memory. The Poles aren't letting this happen again, they are powerful and are fast becoming the most powerful in Europe.

Take a look at their inventory and what they are buying and have on order. Plus, having NATO allies in Poland "seconding" their kit. Eg, us, with Sky Sabre systems and the RAF.
 
silvertop said:
That is the war in a nutshell.

Russia has a long history of suffering invasion and seeking protection through buffer client states. Talk of taking Ukraine and continuing the march into Poland are exaggerations.
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Which is exactly what Putin wants you to think and seemingly has also convinced Trump is true.

And it will be true. Until it isn’t.

You can no more trust Putin than Trump. The only way to deal with Putin is ensure that the cost of any further adventure outweighs any benefit. Trump is easier. You just flatter him. Or bribe him.
 
silvertop said:
What is amazing is him taking credit for India/Pakistan!

He has knocked off the easy kills in Gaza and then literally claimed to have given world peace. I hope it has ended but let us judge in a month.

He has done harm/good/harm/good in Ukraine and Putin has largely played him. Again, let us see in time...
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You have as little idea as any on here regarding his role in the India Pakistan conflict. you just derault to anti Trump, which is fine , but purely your prejudiced view.

You are calling the Gaza peace deal an " easy kill ", seriously?
 
Stirlingsays said:
I'd say all that is true.

What I'd also say is that we have no business in Ukraine.....and it's all very corrupt and very murky in my view. If we had Russia in our border country we wouldn't tolerate that either.

An extremely avoidable war that puts us all in danger without need.....and I resent my sky high energy bill, which ultimately I blame on US state department policy.
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Pretty much this. Putin is without redemption, talking up NATO membership for Ukraine gave him an excuse the Russian public would buy into for invasion.

Now we have a likely sick, power mad Putin intent on his legacy being an expanded Russia

No winners only losers
 


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Yes you peacemongers, let's GLOBALISE it.

2nd Intifada - 5 years of violence: A combined casualty figure for combatants and civilians, the violence is estimated to have resulted in the deaths of approximately 3,000 Palestinians and 1,000 Israelis, as well as 64 foreign nationals.

Yes wonderful, that's what we need, Muslims kicking off with violence globally for Islam. What a fantastic idea.

They're c****.
 
'I call on the Prime Minister to issue an order to the Israeli army to resume the full fighting in the Gaza Strip with all its strength.' - Israeli Minister of National Security Ben Gvir.

Yep, as I suspected, the massive media hype over what was always going to be a lull in the fighting was its usual waffle.

When you take the decision to flatten Gaza, it makes no sense to rebuild it again with Hamas there....and when you say Hamas, you are essentially saying most males.

The only way I see the peacemakers winning is with the fall of the Israeli government...otherwise not finishing clearing Gaza of Palestinians doesn't make much sense from the government's perspective.
 
Stirlingsays said:
When you take the decision to flatten Gaza, it makes no sense to rebuild it again with Hamas there....and when you say Hamas, you are essentially saying most males.

The only way I see the peacemakers winning is with the fall of the Israeli government...otherwise not finishing clearing Gaza of Palestinians doesn't make much sense from the government's perspective.
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Denying them the option of excuses for further violence would do that.
 
Spindle said:
Denying them the option of excuses for further violence would do that.
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Yeah Spindle and Mossad knew nothing about October 7th.

Colour me pretty suspicious......It could be true or just a false flag excuse to go back in.

Regardless I predicted that this peace deal was for the birds when it happened......makes no sense other than as a slop to Trump to forward 'peace-maker' claims and repair relations with Qatar from a US perspective.
 
Spindle said:
And they snuck into 20% of that 25% in 2014.

Poland have been shagged hard multiple times by larger neighbours, especially in living memory. The Poles aren't letting this happen again, they are powerful and are fast becoming the most powerful in Europe.

Take a look at their inventory and what they are buying and have on order. Plus, having NATO allies in Poland "seconding" their kit. Eg, us, with Sky Sabre systems and the RAF.
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As you know, I want us out of this pointless conflict and buying cheap energy from Russia.

Instead I fear we may well end up getting attacked and end up with nothing to show for this whole affair other than sky high energy costs and the loss of billions and billions of pounds and god knows what else......plus a loan to Ukraine which they can't repay.....which we are on the hock for.

This is what happens with social liberals in charge in Europe.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
'I call on the Prime Minister to issue an order to the Israeli army to resume the full fighting in the Gaza Strip with all its strength.' - Israeli Minister of National Security Ben Gvir.

Yep, as I suspected, the massive media hype over what was always going to be a lull in the fighting was its usual waffle.

When you take the decision to flatten Gaza, it makes no sense to rebuild it again with Hamas there....and when you say Hamas, you are essentially saying most males.

The only way I see the peacemakers winning is with the fall of the Israeli government...otherwise not finishing clearing Gaza of Palestinians doesn't make much sense from the government's perspective.
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Predictable and predicted. The Netanyahu government were never going to stop. The only real question is whether the USA will stop them.
 
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