Israel v Hamas

[DanH]

No the problem danh is that you dissect everything then deflect as in your reply.
If you actually read things as they are written it would all become clearer !

Trying to read things as you’ve written them is like wading through mud sometimes mate.

But to answer your ludicrous strawman question with an appropriate answer, if there were a gang of Millwall hooligans out to get my family I wouldn’t take out the whole of Bermondsey just in case, no matter how much it would be nice to be the only club in the area.

 

[steeleye20]

'Former Israel PM Olmert admits genocide'.

Formerly steadfastly tried to defend Israel to the world's media, now he is no longer willing or able to do so.

Never thought I'd hear the day.

Even Piers Morgan admits it.

 

[HKOwen]

Everyone is horrified at the loss of life except Hamas, it is 100% within their gift to make it stop. You think they are the good guys in this, chastising Israel for years of oppression etc. Must be frustrating you can't type what you really think

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Vague, sweeping accusations without evidence or balanced context is not a rational argument. It's more like scapegoating.

Calling anyone who doesn't share your outrage as blind shuts down honest discussion. You're assuming moral superiority without understanding the complexity of the war or the actions of Hamas, who uses human shields, deliberately targets civilians and doesn't want peace.

You should be more or at least equally(!) outraged by Hamas launching thousands of rockets at Israeli cities, using aid to build terror tunnels, putting military targets in schools and hospitals. Yet when the outrage is only ever directed at one government (not Hamas or even Saudi Arabia for their war), it raises the question is it about human rights or something more?

Suggesting anyone who doesn't share your indifference at civilians being massacred must secretly be antisemitic shuts down honest discussion.

How many civilians have died as a result of those thousands of Hamas rockets?

And when we accept that number would be absolutely DWARFED by the number of civilians who have died as a result of the IDF's action, please explain why I should be more outraged by the actions of Hamas?

You're also back to holding up a terrorist organisation as a barometer for morality for an advanced state military.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Everyone is horrified at the loss of life except Hamas, it is 100% within their gift to make it stop. You think they are the good guys in this, chastising Israel for years of oppression etc. Must be frustrating you can't type what you really think

And let's type what you and others clearly think; you're not remotely horrified. You don't give a single s*** about Arab civilians being slaughtered in their thousands because you see their lives as less important than others.

It's more important for you to troll and shamelessly posture for approval on a messageboard, the abhorrent loss of human life is a minor side story.

 

[DanH]

Everyone is horrified at the loss of life except Hamas, it is 100% within their gift to make it stop. You think they are the good guys in this, chastising Israel for years of oppression etc. Must be frustrating you can't type what you really think

Go on then Owen. How do Hamas make it stop and what do we really want to type?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Trying to read things as you’ve written them is like wading through mud sometimes mate.

But to answer your ludicrous strawman question with an appropriate answer, if there were a gang of Millwall hooligans out to get my family I wouldn’t take out the whole of Bermondsey just in case, no matter how much it would be nice to be the only club in the area.

It's so mental that they can understand notions like protecting your country and family only in the context of Israel.

Obviously Palestinians are not motivated to protect their families or their country - they're all just terrorists who want to blow s*** up.

 

[DanH]

It's so mental that they can understand notions like protecting your country and family only in the context of Israel.

Obviously Palestinians are not motivated to protect their families or their country - they're all just terrorists who want to blow s*** up.

Stop it you Hamas loving Jew hater.

 

[eaglesdare]

Israel is defending itself against the terrorists Hamas whose stated goal is its destruction.

 

[eaglesdare]

Everyone is horrified at the loss of life except Hamas, it is 100% within their gift to make it stop. You think they are the good guys in this, chastising Israel for years of oppression etc. Must be frustrating you can't type what you really think

Seems to be a lot of bed wetting after the Hamas supporters have been called out.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Israel is defending itself against the terrorists Hamas whose stated goal is its destruction.

But it isn’t!

That’s the excuse it’s using as it follows through on a much bigger objective.

Removing Hamas is fine. Ethnic cleansing isn’t.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Seems to be a lot of bed wetting after the Hamas supporters have been called out.

Strange comment!

I haven’t read a word of support for Hamas here.

Which is not to be confused with criticism of Israel.

 

[DanH]

Strange comment!

I haven’t read a word of support for Hamas here.

Which is not to be confused with criticism of Israel.

He’s an unserious troll that parrots unfettered US, Russian and Israeli government party lines with absolutely no thought process in between and wets the bed at the slightest hint of challenge or scrutiny.

Just laugh at his posts and move on.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Never thought I'd hear the day.

Even Piers Morgan admits it.

It's quite amusing that there are still stragglers on here parroting what they were told to think about the situation 18 months ago.

As you evidence above, the mainstream narrative has shifted massively in the last week or two with far more public condemnation of Israel from politicians, news anchors and other public commentators, whilst on here we are still cycling the same tropes which are now basically ridiculed elsewhere.

There will be some tails between legs on here as the realisation hits that no one else is buying Israel's s*** any more.

 

[eaglesdare]

But it isn’t!

That’s the excuse it’s using as it follows through on a much bigger objective.

Removing Hamas is fine. Ethnic cleansing isn’t.

Israels actions target hamas who are a terrorist group and who explicitly calls for Israels destruction.

Israels operations focus on dismantling hamas military infrastructure.
Claims of ethnic cleansing are inflammatory and lack evidence.

Israel seeks security not genocide and peace requires eliminating terror. Hamas use of human shields and warfare complicates the conflict.

 

[HKOwen]

Suggesting anyone who doesn't share your indifference at civilians being massacred must secretly be antisemitic shuts down honest discussion.

How many civilians have died as a result of those thousands of Hamas rockets?

And when we accept that number would be absolutely DWARFED by the number of civilians who have died as a result of the IDF's action, please explain why I should be more outraged by the actions of Hamas?

You're also back to holding up a terrorist organisation as a barometer for morality for an advanced state military.

Quite a few Druze children from Hezbollah rockets. You seem obsessed with numbers, do you have a number in mind,you agree Hamas are terrorists, can you not accept that this would stop if Hamas surrendered, it is in their hands......or do you not agree they should stop fighting, return the hostages and surrender. Civilians in Gaza would immediately be safer.

 

[HKOwen]

And let's type what you and others clearly think; you're not remotely horrified. You don't give a single s*** about Arab civilians being slaughtered in their thousands because you see their lives as less important than others.

It's more important for you to troll and shamelessly posture for approval on a messageboard, the abhorrent loss of human life is a minor side story.

Oh dear, whatever. If you really want this to stop then urge Hamas to stop and surrender

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Quite a few Druze children from Hezbollah rockets. You seem obsessed with numbers, do you have a number in mind,you agree Hamas are terrorists, can you not accept that this would stop if Hamas surrendered, it is in their hands......or do you not agree they should stop fighting, return the hostages and surrender. Civilians in Gaza would immediately be safer.

I've described Hamas as terrorists more times than I can count on here - if you lack the reading comprehension to process that, that is your problem - please stop with the tabloid-level questions. Even Piers Morgan has given that up now FFS.

This would also stop if Israel surrendered, it is in their hands...

Phenomenal point - much logic.

 

[HKOwen]

I've described Hamas as terrorists more times than I can count on here - if you lack the reading comprehension to process that, that is your problem - please stop with the tabloid-level questions. Even Piers Morgan has given that up now FFS.

This would also stop if Israel surrendered, it is in their hands...

Phenomenal point - much logic.

And there you have it, Israel surrenders, but it wouldn't stop until Israel was destroyed and all the Jews with it. You are putting Israel and a terrorist organisation as equals.

Clearly you support Hamas IMO but know if you write what you really think you will be in difficulty.

 

[DanH]

And there you have it, Israel surrenders, but it wouldn't stop until Israel was destroyed and all the Jews with it. You are putting Israel and a terrorist organisation as equals.

Clearly you support Hamas IMO but know if you write what you really think you will be in difficulty.

Yeah just say it Saturn, you Hamas loving Jew hater.