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Israel v Hamas

CPFCSaturn said:
There are plenty calling people 'Jew-haters' and running off as well - I think that's more abhorrent than sharing a link from the BBC, personally.

To be clear, my question is not about being comfortable from a moral standpoint - I mean based on the evidence we have, what do you think is a reasonable/logical estimate as to the death toll? I think based on some of what we know (examples in my post above), it's very difficult to make a serious case that we're not talking about tens of thousands dead.

And therefore my overarching point being that I find grandstanding over the 50,000 number to be semantical and largely irrelevant - I don't think there's any credible argument to suggest the death toll is drastically lower than this. Certainly the IDF's numbers are not close to credible.

I'm quick to point out that the military superpower who are directly responsible for the bombing and the withholding of aid from civilians are accountable for the deaths, yes.

We're also back to expecting more morality from the terrorist organisation than the military superpower purporting to respect international law. Funny enough, I expect considerably more morality from the military superpower than I do terrorists.

If we're on the topic of shifting blame onto the target of attacks, we could also get into how Israel could have better 'protected their people' on October 7th, but I don't think blaming the people being attacked is very appropriate.
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If you're that bothered about a number, then halfway between what both sides estimate is probably a likely figure. I think But of course nobody knows for sure.

Yes, October 7 was a serious security failure. But at least you admit it happened?

Only 1 in 4 British Muslims believe Hamas committed rape and murder on October 7. That's pretty shocking.
 
Penge Eagle said:
If you're that bothered about a number, then halfway between what both sides estimate is probably a likely figure. I think But of course nobody knows for sure.

Yes, October 7 was a serious security failure. But at least you admit it happened?

Only 1 in 4 British Muslims believe Hamas committed rape and murder on October 7. That's pretty shocking.
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Obviously it happened, yes.

A shocking headline, certainly, but a poll with 1000 participants from a population of 4 million is not proof of much. I'm also not sure why it matters in relation to my criticism of Israel.
 
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