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Israel v Hamas

Forest Hillbilly said:
The language used to explain the Rights of non-Jews in Israel is very carefully worded. To actually appreciate life in Israel as a non-Jew, you really need to experience it.
Going to the A&E department and seeing Jews escorted to the front of the queue, past all the other waiting non-Jews. Housing, the same. Restaurants. Take your pick.
It's all very well proclaiming people have equal rights (on paper). but in practice it's never the case. Jews are given priority over everyone else, and if you don't like it a policeman or IDF member is ready to dish out some punishment. Try reporting that to the police. Do you think it would be investigated, or do you think you'd suffer additional harassment ? That's why complaints are so low.

Why would non-Jews want to join the IDF ?
It's apartheid. Clear as day. I've experienced it.

No doubt I'm an anti-Semite. Or just calling it how it is.
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Of course, Jews are treated with perfect equality in all Islamic countries.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
The language used to explain the Rights of non-Jews in Israel is very carefully worded. To actually appreciate life in Israel as a non-Jew, you really need to experience it.
Going to the A&E department and seeing Jews escorted to the front of the queue, past all the other waiting non-Jews. Housing, the same. Restaurants. Take your pick.
It's all very well proclaiming people have equal rights (on paper). but in practice it's never the case. Jews are given priority over everyone else, and if you don't like it a policeman or IDF member is ready to dish out some punishment. Try reporting that to the police. Do you think it would be investigated, or do you think you'd suffer additional harassment ? That's why complaints are so low.

Why would non-Jews want to join the IDF ?
It's apartheid. Clear as day. I've experienced it.

No doubt I'm an anti-Semite. Or just calling it how it is.
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Replace the words non-Jew and Israel with British and the UK, you perfectly summed up living here atm
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
The language used to explain the Rights of non-Jews in Israel is very carefully worded. To actually appreciate life in Israel as a non-Jew, you really need to experience it.
Going to the A&E department and seeing Jews escorted to the front of the queue, past all the other waiting non-Jews. Housing, the same. Restaurants. Take your pick.
It's all very well proclaiming people have equal rights (on paper). but in practice it's never the case. Jews are given priority over everyone else, and if you don't like it a policeman or IDF member is ready to dish out some punishment. Try reporting that to the police. Do you think it would be investigated, or do you think you'd suffer additional harassment ? That's why complaints are so low.

Why would non-Jews want to join the IDF ?
It's apartheid. Clear as day. I've experienced it.

No doubt I'm an anti-Semite. Or just calling it how it is.
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An anecdotal fallacy.

I wonder how Jews would be treated in restaurants and hospitals in Palestinian administered areas?
 
Merry Christmas to all on each side of this extremely heated and passionate debate. Let's be thankful that we can still discuss these issues rather than fighting or suppressing one another's views. At the very least let's celebrate that tolerance and freedom of speech still have some value in the UK, and hopefully we can all agree that these values are essential to our way of life and must be protected.
 
Living In Hope said:
Merry Christmas to all on each side of this extremely heated and passionate debate. Let's be thankful that we can still discuss these issues rather than fighting or suppressing one another's views. At the very least let's celebrate that tolerance and freedom of speech still have some value in the UK, and hopefully we can all agree that these values are essential to our way of life and must be protected.
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I suspect some would have preferred you to say Happy Holidays but I concur
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
hypothetical whataboutery, versus first hand experience
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Anecdotes are not credible evidence. It's like saying: "The bees didn't sting me, therefore bees don't sting".

Even if what you describe was true, it's not the definition of apartheid anyway. People from different identity groups being treated as second-class citizens happens all over the world.

You can't change the definition of "apartheid" to fit the crime for the Jews, like people are doing with the definition of "genocide". Holding Jews to a different standard to everyone else is antisemitism.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Gaza babies dying from the cold as winter temperatures drop

Twenty-day old Sila, whose home was a tent on a beach, is one of six newborns to die in recent days.
www.bbc.co.uk

"Our life is hell. It's hell because of the effects of the war, my family was martyred, and our situation is unbearable."
Despite telling civilians to head to the area, the Israeli military has struck al-Mawasi repeatedly during its campaign against Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza.
There are heavy restrictions by Israel on food and other aid deliveries to Gaza, says the UN, compounding the war's humanitarian crisis. Israel denies that it is restricting aid.

Israel also prevents international media from entering and freely working on the ground in Gaza. (BBC website)

Wilful manslaughter, culpable homicide, genocide. ? It's still the killing of innocents.
Don't let politics destroy your humanity
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Gaza babies dying from the cold as winter temperatures drop

Twenty-day old Sila, whose home was a tent on a beach, is one of six newborns to die in recent days.
www.bbc.co.uk

"Our life is hell. It's hell because of the effects of the war, my family was martyred, and our situation is unbearable."
Despite telling civilians to head to the area, the Israeli military has struck al-Mawasi repeatedly during its campaign against Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza.
There are heavy restrictions by Israel on food and other aid deliveries to Gaza, says the UN, compounding the war's humanitarian crisis. Israel denies that it is restricting aid.

Israel also prevents international media from entering and freely working on the ground in Gaza. (BBC website)

Wilful manslaughter, culpable homicide, genocide. ? It's still the killing of innocents.
Don't let politics destroy your humanity
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Israel ultimately, I think, will have to pay the price for what it is doing.
 
georgenorman said:
Israel has been paying a price for merely existing for many years - attacked physically from all sides and rhetorically by terrorist-apologists in the West.
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If I started a friends of Israel group in my area, firstly within 30 seconds there'd be a mass protest outside my house, my name would be all over social media, my family and I would be cancelled and within a couple of days I'd be firebombed. But very balanced here in Ireland.
 
The word apartheid completely accurate - Jimmy Carter now deceased.


Complete separation, and on Palestinian land, and complete domination of the Palestinian's lives by Israel.
 
The UN Human Rights Office says Israeli attacks on and around hospitals have pushed Gaza's healthcare system to "the brink of total collapse" and raised serious concerns about war crimes and crimes against humanity.

A new report describes a pattern in which Israeli forces struck, besieged and forcibly evacuated hospitals, leading to patients dying or being killed.

It acknowledges Israel's allegations that hospitals have been used by Palestinian armed groups, but says the evidence is "vague".
It comes days after the last functioning hospital in besieged northern Gaza was raided by the Israeli military, which said it was being used as Hamas command centre.
More than 45,500 people have been killed and 108,300 injured in Gaza since then, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.

(BBC website 31,12,24)
 
Opening aid channels and getting aid to civilians who desperately need it.

Alternatively, ...
The US Department of State has notified Congress of a planned $8bn (£6.4bn) arms sale to Israel, an American official has confirmed to the BBC.

The weapons consignment, which needs approval from House and Senate committees, includes air-to-air missiles to be used against airborne threats, including drones, the official said.

In August, the US approved the sale of $20bn in fighter jets and other military equipment to Israel.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Gaza babies dying from the cold as winter temperatures drop

Twenty-day old Sila, whose home was a tent on a beach, is one of six newborns to die in recent days.
www.bbc.co.uk

"Our life is hell. It's hell because of the effects of the war, my family was martyred, and our situation is unbearable."
Despite telling civilians to head to the area, the Israeli military has struck al-Mawasi repeatedly during its campaign against Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza.
There are heavy restrictions by Israel on food and other aid deliveries to Gaza, says the UN, compounding the war's humanitarian crisis. Israel denies that it is restricting aid.

Israel also prevents international media from entering and freely working on the ground in Gaza. (BBC website)

Wilful manslaughter, culpable homicide, genocide. ? It's still the killing of innocents.
Don't let politics destroy your humanity
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You don't think civilians die in wars? It's a war that Hamas started which they knew they could not possibly win. Hamas are to blame for any civilian deaths.

To stop the bombing, releasing the 100 hostages might be a good start? Including British citizen Emily Damari.
 
Penge Eagle said:
You don't think civilians die in wars? It's a war that Hamas started which they knew they could not possibly win. Hamas are to blame for any civilian deaths.

To stop the bombing, releasing the 100 hostages might be a good start? Including British citizen Emily Damari.
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www.thesun.co.uk

Hamas releases sick video of hostage, 19, family begs for her to be brought home

TERROR group Hamas have released a sick video of a 19-year-old hostage held for 450 days. The woman, Liri Albag, cries in the clip as she endures the most unimaginable ordeal over a year on from th…
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk

Ah only the Sun. Some recently departed poster would probably dispel this as misinformation.
 
Conditions seem like they're being set for a ceasefire.

OK, gotta be progress, so at least stopping the killing.
Hoping that the release of Aid is part of the conditions, to prevent people starving to death or from exposure. The Palestinians also have no functional hospitals.
And to be clear, I mean Palestinian civilians, and not HAMAS.
 
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I did a quick search for claims of ethnic cleansing happening in the world today. Can somebody tell me why there is virtually no news coverage; no protests in the streets of London; no outrage by MPs; no outrage in the UN; or pontification by celebrities? Yet we get nothing but Israel, Israel, Israel. Why are Palestinians treated uniquely to the Muslims mentioned below? Strange isn't it?

1. Myanmar (Rohingya Crisis)
Group targeted: Rohingya Muslims.
Nature of claims: Myanmar's military has been accused of conducting widespread atrocities, including mass killings, sexual violence, and forced displacement, against the Rohingya in Rakhine State.
Impact: Over 700,000 Rohingya fled to Bangladesh since 2017.
International response: The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is investigating genocide allegations.

2. China (Xinjiang Uyghur Muslims)
Group targeted: Uyghur Muslims and other Turkic minorities.
Nature of claims: Reports suggest mass detentions in "re-education camps," forced sterilizations, and cultural erasure.
Impact: Over 1 million Uyghurs detained; restrictions on religious and cultural practices.
International response: Widespread condemnation; several countries accuse China of committing crimes against humanity.

3. Ethiopia (Tigray Conflict)
Group targeted: Tigrayans.
Nature of claims: Ethnic violence and forced displacements during the Tigray conflict (2020–2022). Reports of massacres, sexual violence, and destruction of livelihoods.
Impact: Thousands killed; over 2 million displaced.
International response: Investigations by the United Nations and calls for accountability.

4. Syria
Group targeted: Ethnic Kurds, Sunni Arabs, and religious minorities.
Nature of claims: Forced displacements and targeted killings during the Syrian Civil War, particularly in areas with Kurdish populations or rebel-controlled zones.
Impact: Millions displaced internally and abroad; entire communities uprooted.
International response: Ongoing war crime investigations.

5. South Sudan
Group targeted: Ethnic Dinka, Nuer, and other groups.
Nature of claims: Ethnic massacres during the civil war (2013–2018) and intercommunal violence. Allegations of deliberate targeting based on ethnicity.
Impact: Hundreds of thousands killed; millions displaced.
International response: Peace agreements and calls for reconciliation.

6. India (Manipur Violence and Kashmir)
Group targeted: Kukis in Manipur; Kashmiri Muslims.
Nature of claims: Ethnic violence in Manipur (2023) and displacement of communities. In Kashmir, allegations of demographic changes and human rights abuses persist.
Impact: Thousands displaced in Manipur; long-standing unrest in Kashmir.
International response: Regional tensions and internal political debates.
 
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