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I was hoping to walk Cryst through the folly of their comment, but you've jumped ahead!
It is one of the most moronic talking points - which I've even heard from Benny Morris.
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I was hoping to walk Cryst through the folly of their comment, but you've jumped ahead!
It is one of the most moronic talking points - which I've even heard from Benny Morris.
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What was it I said about lazy morons?
Here is a link for you go, because you are too lazy (I have referred to this definition the whole time):
Why are you so rude? Lazy morons! Who the f*** do you think you are? Apart from the obvious anti ( Semite/Israel/Israeli/Jew, delete as appropriate)
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The Genocide Convention of 1948 defines it as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group."
It's interesting that Amnesty International has redefined the legal terms of genocide law in its recent report because Israel doesn't meet the standard.
It says: “As outlined below, Amnesty International considers [the existing legal definition of the crime of genocide] an overly cramped interpretation of international jurisprudence and one that would effectively preclude a finding of genocide in the context of an armed conflict.”
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Is it rude to call lazy, moronic genocide deniers and apologists lazy and moronic when they apologise for and deny an obvious genocide?
It's irrelevant who I think I am.
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cryrst
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You don’t even know me so keep your filthy insults to yourself. Better still go and join your Hamas brothers and use a few babies and mothers as human shields.
BTW if Israel was really wanting the extinction of Gaza and its people it could have turned the whole place into glass in a couple of hours. Frankly if gazans would rather become martyrs than fight against their forced existence is it any surprise I don’t care. When they do I will but until then they are reaping what they sow.
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If you want to argue the intent angle, then I refer you to the arguments I've already made in this thread demonstrating the intent to create Greater Israel, then there are myriad comments about killing Palestinians, the deliberate destruction of water infrastructure, of Universities, of hospitals - none are wired with explosives without intent to create conditions meant to bring about the destruction of the group. Then there is the blocking of aid including food and medical aid which creates starvation and disease to spread.
There is an enormous amount of evidence. Unequivocal.
A legal opinion from Amnesty that does not disprove the evidence or conclusion.
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I am only commenting on what you've written, and I'm spot on.
Your words here are the greatest insult to you. Racist and hateful genocide apologetics.
You don't realise it, despite it being pointed out to you. That's for you to figure out. I hope you do. But you are still digging, still showing your ignorance and stupidity.
cryrst
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And don’t we all know how you prefer to argue than debate. Opinions come in twos, yours and others. Maybe check the dictionary for that definition as well so you see my point !!!
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I have provided my definition of genocide and its basis in law.
Don't be lazy, copy your genocide definition here and explain why that should be considered over the internationally agreed definition which has been used to define and prosecute several past genocides and is the basis of the investigation into this one.
cryrst
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So having no sympathy for losers makes me racist. You do need a reality check on your assumptions. You are clearly anti Jew but I won’t hold it against you. You are entitled to your opinions. If any population just allowed death and destruction from fear of even trying to fight back I wouldn’t care. Because these people are Muslim I don’t really mind. What is your definition of a racist, oh here we go again ……!
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You hate Jews, so of course you're going to call it a genocide!
cryrst
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The holocaust (do you believe it happened)
And Rwanda are hardly a benchmark.
Hamas, who attacked Israel are hiding amongst their own voters for protection. Knowing their deaths are imminent because of this. If you see that as ok we are on a different page altogether I’m afraid. I won’t ignore you though as it beats counting sheep to nod off. I suppose it’s lucky that old belief wasn’t counting pigs as I would be racist !
Absolutely I can. Please find one post where I have apologised for or denied genocide because you won’t find one. Yes I argued about the incidents in Amsterdam because you chose to believe it was all about Israeli fans causing the trouble, which imo it clearly was not. You chose to believe you media source of choice, I chose to believe mine.
Your arrogance is staggering, you still insist on calling those who oppose your views as lazy morons. That says more about you than those on here. How you can deny being anti Israel after all your diatribes on here beggars belief
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If you were Israel, what would you have done after October 7th's events?
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BadadMcMad's attitude lacks any balance. October 7th was the manifestation of Hamas's desire to commit genocide against Israel. This does not justify everything Israel has done. There are clearly powerful factions in Israel which are as dogmatic as Hamas, though I suspect less fuelled by racist hatred as Hamas. The current Israeli government under Netanyahu should have been put in its place by western governments over its tacit (or even overt) support for development in the occupied territories of Palestine. However, BadadMcMad's loathing of Israel is remarkable in lacking any balance and being apparently blind to (or supportive of) the type of racist hatred which led to the Holocaust, whose atrocities are simply not comparable to anything else which has happened since.
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If balance is important why stop at Oct 7th? Why not mention:
- The March of Return in 2018-2019: 2018–2019 Gaza border protests - Wikipedia
- Operation Proctective Edge in 2014: 2014 Gaza War - Wikipedia
- Operation Pillar of Defense in 2012: 2012 Gaza War - Wikipedia
- David Cameron's description of Gaza in 2010: David Cameron describes blockaded Gaza as a 'prison'
- Operation Cast Lead in 2008: Gaza War (2008–2009) - Wikipedia
- The 2007 blockade of Gaza by Israel and Egypt: Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia
That's some of the more recent history.
How would you describe the 'balance' in the region? Should we approach the reality of the situation from a perspective of 'balance' in so far as both sides have done bad s*** to each other (they have) therefore are both as bad as each other and so all our arguments should be manufactured to present a 'balanced' view?
Or should we examine the evidence and let that speak for itself?
I'm in favour of letting the evidence speak for itself. To start, could you provide a summary of the body count and serious injuries on the Palestinian side and Israeli side in the period from 2007 (arbitrary date) to now. Please add as many more sources as you see necessary for balance going back as far as you like. I will gladly engage with more evidence if provided as I have done in this thread several times.
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You could add the 1982 massacre of 3,500 Palestinian refugees during Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982, known as the 'Sabra and Shatila' massacre, ordered by General Sharon.
Condemned throughout the world and the UN as a genocidal act.
But not by the United States who agreed to the withdrawal of the multi-national defence force and in so doing enabled it to happen.
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I can't find a single post where you denounce the Genocide. Hence there's no evidence of you being anti-genocide which is why I asked. Would you like to present your arguments on the subject now? As your contributions, aside from on Amsterdam, have been less than relevant.
Of course I disagree with you. The argument on the Israeli side was that these were anti-jew attacks, yet prior to the Macabi fans arrival, there were no reports of Jew hunts despite there being long established Jewish population in Amsterdam. So, you choose to believe in what media tells you, I look at what they say and apply critical thinking and analysis to figure out what the truth of the matter is.
As I've said before, if you have to believe, then you don't know and you need to do more work - i.e. not be lazy.
I've gone to lengths to provide rebuttals with evidence against the arguments that have been put in front of me. Give me one example where I've deemed an argument to be lazy and moronic without justification (and I will provide that justification).
If there is a argument which I have called lazy/moronic that you disagree with, the provide your rebuttal.
I suspect that you will find that I have consistently responded to the arguments laid in front of me. If those arguments are lazy and moronic, then I will call that out. The answer is to not make lazy and moronic arguments.
Of course, here you are insinuating that I am a lazy moron without any attempt to justify that opinion:
How many 'Jew Hunts' happened in Amsterdam before the Macabi fans arrived? Did the 'hunts' occur before or after the Macabi fans committed several acts of violence and vandalism about the city?
I have condemned the acts of the vigilantes which likely exacerbated the 'trouble'.
Well, simply saying 'anti-' something is a broad and lazy generalisation. To help you understand, we would need to agree on a specific definition of that term. Do you want to have a go?
To help, I would say it is perfectly reasonable to be against the actions of a regime that is representative of a country, while not being against that country being there. For example, I am against the actions of the Nazis, but not against the country. You would agree that it is common for people to refer to Nazi Germany and also to Germany (for brevity) in discussions about that time in history. Eg the war against Germany. Now that does not mean I am anti-German, but anti-German regime, anti-German regime actions etc. Does that seem reasonable to you?
In the case of Israel, I am anti- the Israeli regime and its actions of committing war crimes and genocide. I would prefer a 2 state solution and peace above all and no more murdering and maiming of children (and innocents) in the tens of thousands. Does that sound reasonable? I am anti-Tory and Labour governments for their support of Israeli regime atrocities, but I am not anti-my country... do you see?
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Little value in hypotheticals. They have no bearing on what is happening right now. This is another propaganda talking point I've heard made many times.
But if you want I'll entertain it.
Hypothetically, in no particular order:
1. Don't commit genocide, apartheid and other war crimes.
2. End the occupations and illegal annexations and stop the blockades
3. Enter into sincere negotiations with neighbouring countries to agree a peaceful settlement and to ensure security assurances.
4. Long list of other stuff...
For 'balance' what should Israel have done/not done prior to Oct 7th to avoid or defend against the attack?
Should they have taken better heed of Egpyt's warnings and the clear and obvious training being undertaken by Hamas in the year leading up to the attack?
- Egypt warns Israel before OCt 7th (Times of Israel)
- Hamas training in Gaza (The Wall Street Journal)
- Article as cited in the WSJ video
Gaza terror groups launch military exercise amid growing West Bank tensions
Gaza terror factions began a large-scale drill amid high tensions in the West Bank and unconfirmed reports that mediation efforts with Israel had failed.
www.jpost.com