Israel v Hamas

[CPFCSaturn]

Civilians have been killed today as Thailand and Cambodia militaries clash over disputed territory. But I thought this only happens in Israel and Palestine? Are we seeing a genocide? I look forward to seeing protests in the streets of London calling for this conflict to stop. Oh, wait... No Jews are involved. As you were.

I guess whatabouttery is all you have left.

Who on earth has suggested that only Israel and Palestine have ever clashed over territory? Complete straw man.

Who on earth has suggested that any incident where civilians die is a genocide? Complete straw man.

Utterly, utterly shameless.

 

[Penge Eagle]

I guess whatabouttery is all you have left.

Who on earth has suggested that only Israel and Palestine have ever clashed over territory? Complete straw man.

Who on earth has suggested that any incident where civilians die is a genocide? Complete straw man.

Utterly, utterly shameless.

I've already destroyed your argument multiple times with no whataboutery needed.

I was simply pointing out the double standard by Jew haters and that not every war is a genocide.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I've already destroyed your argument multiple times with no whataboutery needed.

I was simply pointing out the double standard by Jew haters and that not every war is a genocide.

You haven't destroyed any argument; you just waffle about Marxism and avoid answering questions - maybe you believe your arguments are good because you buy into every nonsense excuse that Israel present, but anyone with even a semblance of critical thinking ability sees it for the s*** it is.

So you were arguing against another strawman - good job.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You haven't destroyed any argument; you just waffle about Marxism and avoid answering questions - maybe you believe your arguments are good because you buy into every nonsense excuse that Israel present, but anyone with even a semblance of critical thinking ability sees it for the s*** it is.

So you were arguing against another strawman - good job.

You didn't answer my question.

How do you propose to end the conflict?

Hamas have never shown any intention of wanting to do so.

The blood of Palestinians is just as much on their hands.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

You didn't answer my question.

How do you propose to end the conflict?

Hamas have never shown any intention of wanting to do so.

The blood of Palestinians is just as much on their hands.

Because I've answered it dozens of times already - we're both clearly bored of going round in circles so let's not bother doing it again.

Yes, Hamas = terrorists. Unlikely to act rationally or deescalate. That doesn't justify war crimes.

The blood of Palestinians is very much on the IDF's hands.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Because I've answered it dozens of times already - we're both clearly bored of going round in circles so let's not bother doing it again.

Yes, Hamas = terrorists. Unlikely to act rationally or deescalate. That doesn't justify war crimes.

The blood of Palestinians is very much on the IDF's hands.

That is meaningless.

For the killing to stop, both sides have to agree to peace.
Hamas do not want peace. They may never want peace. They want to kill all Jews.

Stop bleating about war crimes and see the bigger picture. Until there is only one side standing, there will be endless barbarity. Hamas don't care how many children Israel kill.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

That is meaningless.

For the killing to stop, both sides have to agree to peace.
Hamas do not want peace. They may never want peace. They want to kill all Jews.

Stop bleating about war crimes and see the bigger picture. Until there is only one side standing, there will be endless barbarity. Hamas don't care how many children Israel kill.

That is meaningless.

Both sides don't have to agree to peace for the killing to stop - the IDF could just stop killing people and enforce their borders.

Israel do not want peace. They may never want peace. They want to ethnically cleanse all Palestinians from the land.

Why will there be 'endless barbarity' unless every Palestinian is killed? Was there 'endless barbarity' pre-October 7th?

Israel don't care how many children Israel kill, and seemingly neither do many on here.

 

[Penge Eagle]

You haven't destroyed any argument; you just waffle about Marxism and avoid answering questions - maybe you believe your arguments are good because you buy into every nonsense excuse that Israel present, but anyone with even a semblance of critical thinking ability sees it for the s*** it is.

So you were arguing against another strawman - good job.

Apart from acting as PR for Hamas, your only argument that this conflict is a "genocide" is that some "experts" say it is, while I provided some "experts" who say it isn't. It's just a war, like many others.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You didn't answer my question.

How do you propose to end the conflict?

Hamas have never shown any intention of wanting to do so.

The blood of Palestinians is just as much on their hands.

Progress!!!

This remark accept that Israel also has blood on their hands.

No one has ever suggested that Hamas hasn’t, by the way.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Apart from acting as PR for Hamas, your only argument that this conflict is a "genocide" is that some "experts" say it is, while I provided some "experts" who say it isn't. It's just a war, like many others.

Not remotely true, but at this point you are clearly deliberately misrepresenting what people post and presenting straw man arguments - I guess it makes sense as your position becomes more and more ridiculous to hold.

You provided a list of Israelis and Zionists who say it isn't genocide... amazing work.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Apart from acting as PR for Hamas, your only argument that this conflict is a "genocide" is that some "experts" say it is, while I provided some "experts" who say it isn't. It's just a war, like many others.

I see no one at all defending Hamas, let alone providing PR for them.

You need to stop deflecting everything back to Hamas and start to deal with the very obvious and desperately serious situation that the IDF are themselves responsible for.

Many innocent lives have already been lost already and many more are threatened. Not only that Israel’s reputation has already been tarnished immeasurably. If they don’t stop it will become irreparable.

 

[Eagleman13]

Not remotely true, but at this point you are clearly deliberately misrepresenting what people post and presenting straw man arguments - I guess it makes sense as your position becomes more and more ridiculous to hold.

You provided a list of Israelis and Zionists who say it isn't genocide... amazing work.

You provide a list of Hamas & Leftwing articles who say it is a genocide . . . amazing work.

Not sure what you want, why are you keep banging on about the IDF? You are not going to persuade posters on here to change their minds, there's debate & there's going round in circles. It is your prerogative to continue to post what you are obviously passionate about. Nothing will change till either one side is wiped out or surrenders & can you honestly see that happening? The sooner it happens, the better for everyone.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

You provide a list of Hamas & Leftwing articles who say it is a genocide . . . amazing work.

Not sure what you want, why are you keep banging on about the IDF? You are not going to persuade posters on here to change their minds, there's debate & there's going round in circles. It is your prerogative to continue to post what you are obviously passionate about. Nothing will change till either one side is wiped out or surrenders & can you honestly see that happening? The sooner it happens, the better for everyone.

This perfectly highlights the difference in the two points of view - what I said is factually true; his list was made up of Israelis and Zionists. I don't need to lie or distort or misrepresent.

What you said is factually untrue: nothing I provided is a 'Hamas article' nor were the experts cited unanimously left wing. You need to lie, distort and misrepresent to make the point stick.

The Daily Express, the most right-wing rag in the country, are now overtly condemning Israel. As of last month's YouGov poll, only 15% of respondents still support Israel's actions - it's a fringe position which has nothing to do with left or right.

I don't want anything - people aren't obliged to reply to me, and as you say, it's my prerogative to post what I'm passionate about.

 

[Eagleman13]

This perfectly highlights the difference in the two points of view - what I said is factually true; his list was made up of Israelis and Zionists. I don't need to lie or distort or misrepresent.

What you said is factually untrue: nothing I provided is a 'Hamas article' nor were the experts cited unanimously left wing. You need to lie, distort and misrepresent to make the point stick.

The Daily Express, the most right-wing rag in the country, are now overtly condemning Israel. As of last month's YouGov poll, only 15% of respondents still support Israel's actions - it's a fringe position which has nothing to do with left or right.

I don't want anything - people aren't obliged to reply to me, and as you say, it's my prerogative to post what I'm passionate about.

You're right, posters do not have to reply to you, just as you don't have to reply to them, but you do, why?

As for the highlighted sentence, you are basically calling Penge a liar, by saying that, what you said was factually true, whereas his was 'made up' your words. Also you have totally failed to understand why i wrote that sentence. You also call me a liar, not a nice thing on a football site eh!

Why you've bought the 'Express into this, i shall never know, unless it gives you comfort in some way. I shall leave to go on your merry way going round in circles posting the same rhetoric time & time again. Try not to get too wound up over things you have no control over, you'll feel better for it.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

You're right, posters do not have to reply to you, just as you don't have to reply to them, but you do, why?

As for the highlighted sentence, you are basically calling Penge a liar, by saying that, what you said was factually true, whereas his was 'made up' your words. Also you have totally failed to understand why i wrote that sentence. You also call me a liar, not a nice thing on a football site eh!

Why you've bought the 'Express into this, i shall never know, unless it gives you comfort in some way. I shall leave to go on your merry way going round in circles posting the same rhetoric time & time again. Try not to get too wound up over things you have no control over, you'll feel better for it.

Because that's the point of a forum.

I've been accused of supporting terrorists and hating Jews more times than I can count on here, so forgive me if highlighting dishonesty where it exists offends you.

I don't think it's complicated, but if you can't work out why I referenced The Express, that's fair enough.

I will always be wound up by children being slaughtered - I'd maybe reflect on why you're not.

All the best.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

That is meaningless.

Both sides don't have to agree to peace for the killing to stop - the IDF could just stop killing people and enforce their borders.

Israel do not want peace. They may never want peace. They want to ethnically cleanse all Palestinians from the land.

Why will there be 'endless barbarity' unless every Palestinian is killed? Was there 'endless barbarity' pre-October 7th?

Israel don't care how many children Israel kill, and seemingly neither do many on here.

So you are happy for Hamas to continue attacking Israel and you expect Israel to just defend its borders?

That pretty much sums up your attitude.

I believe that you think that the attacks on Israel are justified. You just don't have the balls to say it.
I think you would like to see Israel removed from the map.

Unfortunately for you, only one side is capable of wiping out the other, and that is what really bothers you.
Where was your endless outrage on October 7th ?

Maybe Hamas shouldn't have poked the bear with a stick that day.

Believe me, if a group were responsible for brutally killing my family, I would kill every one of them if I could. I wouldn't lose any sleep.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

So you are happy for Hamas to continue attacking Israel and you expect Israel to just defend its borders?

That pretty much sums up your attitude.

I believe that you think that the attacks on Israel are justified. You just don't have the balls to say it.
I think you would like to see Israel removed from the map.

Unfortunately for you, only one side is capable of wiping out the other, and that is what really bothers you.
Where was your endless outrage on October 7th ?

Maybe Hamas shouldn't have poked the bear with a stick that day.

Believe me, if a group were responsible for brutally killing my family, I would kill every one of them if I could. I wouldn't lose any sleep.

I wouldn't say I'm happy about it, but yes, I think Israel defending its borders from Hamas is preferable to starving and slaughtering children.

Once again, someone has to lie and misrepresent my view (and in this case just outright invent a view for me) to make their point - do we see the theme?

 

[Eagleman13]

Because that's the point of a forum.

I've been accused of supporting terrorists and hating Jews more times than I can count on here, so forgive me if highlighting dishonesty where it exists offends you.

I don't think it's complicated, but if you can't work out why I referenced The Express, that's fair enough.

I will always be wound up by children being slaughtered - I'd maybe reflect on why you're not.

All the best.

You highlighting dishonesty doesn't offend me in the slightest, although who or what is dishonest? I never said it was complicated, tho to you it might be, i said you failed to understand, there is a difference. No, i cannot work out about the 'Express as i do not read newspapers & at approx £2.75 a pop over here i've got better things to spend my money on thank you.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I wouldn't say I'm happy about it, but yes, I think Israel defending its borders from Hamas is preferable to starving and slaughtering children.

Once again, someone has to lie and misrepresent my view (and in this case just outright invent a view for me) to make their point - do we see the theme?

The trouble is that in this case, today's children are tomorrow's Jew hating terrorists.
Israel's new neighbours.
That's the trouble with forever wars. Every new generation just picks up the rocket launcher and carries on.
How many will die over in this war over 50,100,1000 Years?

When you get to my age, you see the futility of it all, and the futility of worrying about things you will never change.
Humanity will never change, no matter how much you wish otherwise.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

The trouble is that in this case, today's children are tomorrow's Jew hating terrorists.
Israel's new neighbours.
That's the trouble with forever wars. Every new generation just picks up the rocket launcher and carries on.
How many will die over in this war over 50,100,1000 Years?

When you get to my age, you see the futility of it all, and the futility of worrying about things you will never change.
Humanity will never change, no matter how much you wish otherwise.

Oh right, lets just kill them all instead then.

Plenty will die over the next 50, 100 years, sure - according to ChatGPT, the estimated annual deaths pre 2023 were around 500-1000 Palestinians and 10-30 Israelis, as a result of the conflict.

50 years of that would still be less dead than we've seen in 18 months - yes, I think that's a preferable outcome.