Is Glasner the problem?

[Willo]

This is all entirely true. However, I had a look at our fixture list for the season.
If I were generous/optimistic we'd get about 19-24 more points this season. I got it looking pretty realistic at 21 more points - clearly that's only 37 for the season - although I do suspect that would keep us up.
Putting us to lose against teams like Forest and Bournemouth and draw against teams like Everton - which seems realistic enough - I could only work out us getting a similar number of points we already have. Which would give us something like 32-35 points - which may not be good enough.
We already need a win or two against sides that we won't be fancied against.
Frankly, crucial that we beat Southampton.

Southampton might have their new manager in the dugout for his opening game.

Should we lose against Bournemouth and fail to beat Southampton, the 'Alarm bells' will be ringing loud and clear and of course the position of the manager will be prominent on the discussions on HOL !

 

[eaglesdare]

I do also think the "mid table" teams who had a flying start to the season will struggle the second half. And that's when we will catch ground and work our way back up to 12th 😅

We do seem to have injuries at the start of the season and for the run in they are all fit. Strange that...almost as if they don't have a proper pre season.

 

[Jacey]

Respect the point,but we seriously need to get some wins under our belts,starting with Southampton.
Everton getting yet another point, together with Wolves getting all three and Leicester,currently holding Liverpool highlight just how tight it will be to pull away from the dreaded drop zone.

 

[ASCPFC]

Respect the point,but we seriously need to get some wins under our belts,starting with Southampton.
Everton getting yet another point, together with Wolves getting all three and Leicester,currently holding Liverpool highlight just how tight it will be to pull away from the dreaded drop zone.

It's one of those really frustrating seasons we often have. I doubt we'll go down but we'll be a pathetic 17th or something. Results aren't going our way - and we could really do with the big teams holding their own against the relegation rivals. However, Man U look like relegation fodder and the manager has taken a couple of weeks to turn into an idiot. And Man City just cack. We've basically played everyone at the wrong time - like Bournemouth today. Although, in fairness to football karma, we played everyone at the right time at the end of last season.

 

[NEILLO]

Glasner is far from being out of the woods yet, but if you look at the clubs that have sacked their managers recently it's hardly been a success story for most of them.

Wolves clearly have improved. I always thought them to be better than results suggested but Gary O' Neil just wasn't getting a tune out of them.

Leicester are struggling with Van Nistelrooy. And the Southampton manager really has his work out. As for Manchester United, it almost appears to be a like for like change with no improvement.

I think we were right to have a level of expectation due to the performances at the end of last season. Which makes this season seem even worse than it's been.

Now we are where we are. I didn't envisage staying up this season as being our main aspiration but that's how it's looking just now. I think we will achieve that but will look back upon this season as somewhat wasted and overall a disappointment.

 

[Willo]

Glasner is far from being out of the woods yet, but if you look at the clubs that have sacked their managers recently it's hardly been a success story for most of them.

Wolves clearly have improved. I always thought them to be better than results suggested but Gary O' Neil just wasn't getting a tune out of them.

Leicester are struggling with Van Nistelrooy. And the Southampton manager really has his work out. As for Manchester United, it almost appears to be a like for like change with no improvement.

I think we were right to have a level of expectation due to the performances at the end of last season. Which makes this season seem even worse than it's been.

Now we are where we are. I didn't envisage staying up this season as being our main aspiration but that's how it's looking just now. I think we will achieve that but will look back upon this season as somewhat wasted and overall a disappointment.

We are only 1 point worse off than we were last season after 18 matches.Goals FOR and AGAINST are identical !

The 'Mood music' appears to be one of disappointment on account of our run of results at the end of last campaign when expectation levels were elevated, however we have not quite reached 'Half Time' in the season and a great deal more football still has to be played. There is also the 'Transfer Window' !

 

[Eaglehamster]

It's plain as can be that our squad is too small. There is never going to be a time when we are injury free. Never going to happen.

Selling Ayew was a huge mistake - he wasn't a world beater OK but he was robust and reliable.
One or two more like him might hold things together while our delicate skilled players recover.

 

[park the bus]

We are only 1 point worse off than we were last season after 18 matches.Goals FOR and AGAINST are identical !

The 'Mood music' appears to be one of disappointment on account of our run of results at the end of last campaign when expectation levels were elevated, however we have not quite reached 'Half Time' in the season and a great deal more football still has to be played. There is also the 'Transfer Window' !

And that was under the ultra defensive Roy Hodgson in his final, and worst season. Relegation was on the cards until Glasner stepped in, who with the return of some fit again key players finished the season in fine style. You are correct, we all got excited about what this season could hold. We didn't know that some key players were going to leave and the replacements were either going to be not as good or take a little while to acclimatise.
The honeymoon period is over: Palace, from the board, the manager, and the players need to produce.

 

[Willo]

It's plain as can be that our squad is too small. There is never going to be a time when we are injury free. Never going to happen.

Selling Ayew was a huge mistake - he wasn't a world beater OK but he was robust and reliable.
One or two more like him might hold things together while our delicate skilled players recover.

"Twenty twenty hindsight". I do not recall any great outpouring of grief when Ayew departed.

I accept there are those who believe that Ayew would have been a positive influence in our current position, conversely there are those who have a different opinion.
I am of the opinion that the departure of a near 33 year old for a fee which could total £8 Mill was good business by the club.

 

[Gary St.Andrews]

"Twenty twenty hindsight". I do not recall any great outpouring of grief when Ayew departed.

I accept there are those who believe that Ayew would have been a positive influence in our current position, conversely there are those who have a different opinion.
I am of the opinion that the departure of a near 33 year old for a fee which could total £8 Mill was good business by the club.

If you put that 8 million into context it’s peanuts and I feel we haven’t really gained anything by it, along with the timing of his and Andersens departure on the eve of the West Ham game and the closing of the transfer really effected us. We looked out of sorts and we lost to West Ham with barely a whimper!

Just my take on that beginning of the season and I am sure many will disagree. I am fully in the camp of Glasner is the right person and will steer us in the right direction, but he needs to be backed…..

 

[Jacey]

If you put that 8 million into context it’s peanuts and I feel we haven’t really gained anything by it, along with the timing of his and Andersens departure on the eve of the West Ham game and the closing of the transfer really effected us. We looked out of sorts and we lost to West Ham with barely a whimper!

Just my take on that beginning of the season and I am sure many will disagree. I am fully in the camp of Glasner is the right person and will steer us in the right direction, but he needs to be backed…..

Agree and feel that unless he is properly supported in the window,would not be surprised if he walks.

 

[thai-eagle]

Agree and feel that unless he is properly supported in the window,would not be surprised if he walks.

Not fully convinced due to the simple fact that OG keeps playing Kamada.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

Unless we go on a bad run I think he should be OK for the rest of the season.

Squad is unbalanced in places, not much depth and injuries have not helped so Dougie and SP need to sort this out hopefully in transfer window.

 

[DenTyler]

Not a witch hunt but I would really love a journalist at a press conference or someone interviewing OG to ask a really simple question. What do you see or what are you waiting to see in Kamada?

Someone needs to bring him to task on this now, half a season and I think the supporters are entitled to know his thoughts and thinking on this.

 

[glazedallover]

Not a witch hunt but I would really love a journalist at a press conference or someone interviewing OG to ask a really simple question. What do you see or what are you waiting to see in Kamada?

Someone needs to bring him to task on this now, half a season and I think the supporters are entitled to know his thoughts and thinking on this.

Witch hunts ended around 300 years ago........supporters aren't 'entitled' to 'know' anything. If you don't like it don't support.

 

[derfes]

Unless we go on a bad run I think he should be OK for the rest of the season.

Squad is unbalanced in places, not much depth and injuries have not helped so Dougie and SP need to sort this out hopefully in transfer window.

per opta after sotton , 1.2% chance of relegation 0% of being bottom.1 in 1000 chance of 5th. per Wikipedia glasner to 38.89% win rate and 1.47222222222 points per game. at this rate we get about another 28 points ish this season for 48 points if we replicate the first half of the season we still get 40 points which should be enough to stay up. 40-48 points is 10-15th last season ,11-14th the season before that , and 12th to 15th the season before the season before. so agree we should be good. glasner looking like Sam allerdyce level manager , so clearly not currently the problem.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Glasner seems to be liked by the players, and is starting to bring things together, i just hate the system he plays.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Glasner seems to be liked by the players, and is starting to bring things together, i just hate the system he plays.

Never would have guessed that .

 

[doombear]

Glasner seems to be liked by the players, and is starting to bring things together, i just hate the system he plays.

For me, the problem with the system is our LWB.

Don't get me wrong, I think Mitchell is a sound left back, but for Glasner's system to work properly, you need a more attacking LWB who can then allow Eze to move more centrally. After all, isn't the system supposed to be 3-4-2-1 rather than 3-4-3? Munoz and Sarr are beginning to work well on the right and this is also enabling Sarr and Mateta to begin working well also. With a proper LWB we'd have 5 attackers when in possession plus one DM being able to move further forward.

 

[PatrickA]

For me, the problem with the system is our LWB.

Don't get me wrong, I think Mitchell is a sound left back, but for Glasner's system to work properly, you need a more attacking LWB who can then allow Eze to move more centrally. After all, isn't the system supposed to be 3-4-2-1 rather than 3-4-3? Munoz and Sarr are beginning to work well on the right and this is also enabling Sarr and Mateta to begin working well also. With a proper LWB we'd have 5 attackers when in possession plus one DM being able to move further forward.

I'm not convinced Eze suits the front 3 role either, at least as envisaged by Glasner.
The role involves getting in and around Mateta and the opposing penalty area when the team are in possession, and heavily pressing the opposition defence when the team are out of possession.

Does either aspect play to Eze's strengths in the longer term?

It has to be acknowledged that Eze in the front 3 was successful for a short period at the end of last season, but that was when Olise was causing major headaches for the opposition on the right of the front 3, and Wharton ensured that we retained control of the midfield with his shrewd passing.
In other words , it can work, but circumstances have to be almost perfect for it to work properly.

It could be with an advanced LWB that Eze could drift more centrally, but at the moment it's not working as Eze spends most of his time with his back to goal and running towards his own goal instead of the opposition's goal.