Immigration

[HKOwen]

The left supported, taught and enabled all of this. They are the enemies of the British people.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896291671052079496

Apparently she is American, if she feels like that better don't visit UK

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Exactly the pro immigration lobby are ignoring that the majority who come have low skills just at the time AI and new technologies are starting to destroy low skill jobs.

We will be moving into an era of high unemployment, the last thing we need to do is import more problems. What we need to address is those people who live here and don't work, far too many of them.

There isn’t a “pro immigration lobby”. There are people with their feet on the ground rather than with their heads in the clouds.

AI and new technology will certainly make differences but they won’t be destroying many of the low skilled jobs and certainly very few of those in the care sector. They will impact more of the middle ranking jobs.

I have long argued that those who can work should work and that we need a revolution in attitude to achieve that.

In the meantime we face issues now that cannot be brushed aside. Controlled immigration is necessary to keep our economy and services functioning. Alongside that we need to be much stronger in ensuring that anyone intending to make the UK their home accepts and respects what that demands.

 

[DanH]

The left supported, taught and enabled all of this. They are the enemies of the British people.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896291671052079496

"The only injustice, discrimination you see is largely against the white populace..."

It is SO funny how precious some people are about being called out for stuff. Anyone that thinks injustice and discrimination didn't exist until "woke" meant that people felt more empowered to call people out for being rude and/or ignorant of history is as hilarious as it is utterly f*cking moronic (and ironically, deeply ignorant in itself).

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Wisbech, I am not convinced by the ultimate need to keep growing the population. Currently the net migration effect is to increase the UK population by the equivalent of more than the population of Newcastle every year. I don't accept that this is required, though I do acknowledge that a significant proportion of immigration is to fill necessary jobs. But it is not logical that we need to keep increasing the population in order to service the population. Certainly we need to do more to make the existing population more productive on average, and to me that includes extending retirement age, making it more difficult to live reasonably without working (but of course we need to support those who genuinely can't), and preventing immigration by those who don't make a positive economic contribution. We also need to have some sort of control to ensure that those coming here are broadly sympathetic to the values of the country which made it such an attractive destination in the first place, which to my mind are freedom of thought and speech, tolerance, and democracy.

There isn’t much I disagree with in this.

Ultimate is though a vague term. We also need to deal with today. So we are.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

There isn’t a “pro immigration lobby”. There are people with their feet on the ground rather than with their heads in the clouds.

AI and new technology will certainly make differences but they won’t be destroying many of the low skilled jobs and certainly very few of those in the care sector. They will impact more of the middle ranking jobs.

I have long argued that those who can work should work and that we need a revolution in attitude to achieve that.

In the meantime we face issues now that cannot be brushed aside. Controlled immigration is necessary to keep our economy and services functioning. Alongside that we need to be much stronger in ensuring that anyone intending to make the UK their home accepts and respects what that demands.

The rest of the country needs to learn from how Cornwall manages the situation.

 

[HKOwen]

"The only injustice, discrimination you see is largely against the white populace..."

It is SO funny how precious some people are about being called out for stuff. Anyone that thinks injustice and discrimination didn't exist until "woke" meant that people felt more empowered to call people out for being rude and/or ignorant of history is as hilarious as it is utterly f*cking moronic (and ironically, deeply ignorant in itself).

Mark Twain said, “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"

 

[Stirlingsays]

"The only injustice, discrimination you see is largely against the white populace..."

It is SO funny how precious some people are about being called out for stuff. Anyone that thinks injustice and discrimination didn't exist until "woke" meant that people felt more empowered to call people out for being rude and/or ignorant of history is as hilarious as it is utterly f*cking moronic (and ironically, deeply ignorant in itself).

'Injustice' and 'discrimination' doesn't change because you switch sides.

All you did was bring in stupid to make yourself feel better lad.

Calling others moronic when you support the disenfranchisement of your own offspring due to a distorted and cherry picked version of history is somewhat head scratching, but whatever Mr 'white = bad'.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Apparently she is American, if she feels like that better don't visit UK

Her attitude is incentivized and she's promoting it over here because the lefty youth have been taught this rubbish and so fully agree with her.....If you argue against it and get noticed the left will try to stop you getting a job in the UK.

Apparently Starmer tells us you have free speech but as Dan says, to paraphrase....'free speech isn't speech without consequences'.....oh right, so effectively not free speech then.....We aren't talking about supporting violence, he's just talking about socially conservative or edgy opinions he doesn't like....which are ok to say if you're non white but you can't say without consequences if you are white.

 

[ASCPFC]

Apparently she is American, if she feels like that better don't visit UK

She's exactly right. Britain is so racist that a black, foreign woman with no security can stand up in front of crowds and openly lambast the country with false narratives and have no consequences except being clapped and cheered. Obviously massively racist.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Her attitude is incentivized and she's promoting it over here because the lefty youth have been taught this rubbish and so fully agree with her.....If you argue against it and get noticed the left will try to stop you getting a job in the UK.

Apparently Starmer tells us you have free speech but as Dan says, to paraphrase....'free speech isn't speech without consequences'.....oh right, so effectively not free speech then.....We aren't talking about supporting violence, he's just talking about socially conservative or edgy opinions he doesn't like....which are ok to say if you're non white but you can't say without consequences if you are white.

Totally free speech in any society other than one that subscribes to anarchy is a myth used by the right to justify their obsessive complaints that they are being restrained.

It’s untrue.

Free speech under the law is what we have and what we, as a democracy, chose.
Those who oppose it, oppose democracy.

 

[DanH]

'Injustice' and 'discrimination' doesn't change because you switch sides.

All you did was bring in stupid to make yourself feel better lad.

Calling others moronic when you support the disenfranchisement of your own offspring due to a distorted and cherry picked version of history is somewhat head scratching, but whatever Mr 'white = bad'.

Well according to the tweet you put on here it ‘only’ exists for the ‘white populace’. Do you agree with that?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Well according to the tweet you put on here it ‘only’ exists for the ‘white populace’. Do you agree with that?

No, I think these concepts are human and exist independent of an ethnicity.

While I'm not saying there isn't any truth to them....the fact that some people's lives are worth less than others is proven everyday for example....but in general they are positive law concepts, where as you'd know I'm much more a believer in natural law....applying these concepts to the west deserves mockery....it's just 'give me your stuff' with excuses.

 

[Spiderman]

Because you said, in response to my suggestion that if he had doubts then he would be sticking to the rules, that he didn’t because all refusals need to checked by senior officers. That implied it was his decision to override your recommendation that was checked by your senior officers.

As I said before if he had doubts, for whatever reason, then he is duty bound to be cognitive of them. The opinion of the officers, however strongly believed, is secondary.

That’s not a Judge inserting personal opinions. It’s following the law. You may be 100% certain because of the evidence you have but if the Judge has doubts then he cannot ignore them. You have failed to convince him.

I know this may be strange for you but you completely misunderstood what I said. Refusal is the act of denying a visa, not allowing an appeal, quite simple really. It was not an opinion by me, it was fact, as I said previously. The judge decided it on his opinion. Really no point in persuing this any further as you obviously, either cannot grasp the issue or are so set in your ways that you cannot comprehend that a judge can rule on opinion.

 

[cryrst]

I know this may be strange for you but you completely misunderstood what I said. Refusal is the act of denying a visa, not allowing an appeal, quite simple really. It was not an opinion by me, it was fact, as I said previously. The judge decided it on his opinion. Really no point in persuing this any further as you obviously, either cannot grasp the issue or are so set in your ways that you cannot comprehend that a judge can rule on opinion.

Bingo 👍

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I know this may be strange for you but you completely misunderstood what I said. Refusal is the act of denying a visa, not allowing an appeal, quite simple really. It was not an opinion by me, it was fact, as I said previously. The judge decided it on his opinion. Really no point in persuing this any further as you obviously, either cannot grasp the issue or are so set in your ways that you cannot comprehend that a judge can rule on opinion.

I realised what you meant but as it didn’t address the issue of the Judge having doubts I deliberately applied it differently.

I fully understand that the officers decide the refusal but a Judge hears any appeal.

You though accuse them of making their decision solely on a personal opinion.

Of course their decision is an opinion. Every judgement is. It’s not personal though. It’s based on their interpretation of the law. If doubts exist they cannot be ignored. As soon as any Judge is involved that’s inevitable.

You need to accept that however convinced you were the Judge wasn’t. Whose fault was that?

The only way to stop this happening is not to accuse Judges of bias but to remove the right of appeal.

Do you want this?

 

[Badger11]

Saw the movie A Real Pain yesterday. Good line in it.
"
1st generation immigrants work hard and do menial work.
2nd generation immigrants are professionals, doctors lawyers etc.
3rd generation immigrants are unemployed, live in their mom's basement and smoke pot."

It was a joke but I kinda get it.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

New research reports 10% of people born abroad struggle with English. 1.6 million immigrants don’t work, costing the taxpayer £8 billion. Who knew?

 

[Spiderman]

A judge being found to have erred in law! Who’d have thought it, another ridiculous decision that will have cost thousands to appeal. Oh sorry it’s only the Sun so can’t possibly be trye

Killer Albanian terrorist FREE to roam UK streets in human rights fiasco

A TERRORIST cop killer is today free to roam Britain’s streets in yet another human rights scandal. We can reveal how Albanian mafia kingpin Maksim Cela, 59, has cost UK taxpayers tens of thousands…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Badger11]

It's time to redefine asylum status, hopefully with the rest of Europe, if not we should go it alone.

Claiming asylum was originally intended to protect individuals from persecution by the state.

Today that definition has been stretched in conjunction with the Uman Rights law to cover any form of risk.

The Jamaican government does not persecute gays and yet many from there win their cases as they claim life will be hard back home. I don't doubt life is hard in many countries but it is not state sanctioned persecution.

You can't deport me because Albanian gangsters might kill me is not a valid reason for granting asylum. I might get run over by a bus tomorrow. Life is always a risk and if this guy really fears for his life (he seems more likely to be the risk rather than at risk) that is a problem fro the Albanian government.

When will a government have the courage to tighten these idiotic rules.

 

[HeathMan]

It's time to redefine asylum status, hopefully with the rest of Europe, if not we should go it alone.

Claiming asylum was originally intended to protect individuals from persecution by the state.

Today that definition has been stretched in conjunction with the Uman Rights law to cover any form of risk.

The Jamaican government does not persecute gays and yet many from there win their cases as they claim life will be hard back home. I don't doubt life is hard in many countries but it is not state sanctioned persecution.

You can't deport me because Albanian gangsters might kill me is not a valid reason for granting asylum. I might get run over by a bus tomorrow. Life is always a risk and if this guy really fears for his life (he seems more likely to be the risk rather than at risk) that is a problem fro the Albanian government.

When will a government have the courage to tighten these idiotic rules.

Agree