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Spiderman said:
A judge being found to have erred in law! Who’d have thought it, another ridiculous decision that will have cost thousands to appeal. Oh sorry it’s only the Sun so can’t possibly be trye

www.thesun.co.uk

Killer Albanian terrorist FREE to roam UK streets in human rights fiasco

A TERRORIST cop killer is today free to roam Britain’s streets in yet another human rights scandal. We can reveal how Albanian mafia kingpin Maksim Cela, 59, has cost UK taxpayers tens of thousands…
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk
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He sounds like a seriously nasty piece of work who ought not be allowed anywhere near us. That said you cannot blame any Judge who tries to apply the law in good faith only to find an appeal court disagrees with them. The appeal decision now exists to guide future judgements.

If this kind of obviously undesirable outcome is to be avoided in future the responsibility rests with politicians not Judges. The law needs to be amended to ensure that those who genuinely need protection get it whilst those exploiting the law cannot.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
He sounds like a seriously nasty piece of work who ought not be allowed anywhere near us. That said you cannot blame any Judge who tries to apply the law in good faith only to find an appeal court disagrees with them. The appeal decision now exists to guide future judgements.

If this kind of obviously undesirable outcome is to be avoided in future the responsibility rests with politicians not Judges. The law needs to be amended to ensure that those who genuinely need protection get it whilst those exploiting the law cannot.
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But he erred in law, whod have thought it
 
Spiderman said:
But he erred in law, whod have thought it
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This is why appeal courts are there Spider. It’s quite a good system. There’s 7 levels (I think) depending on what it is to make sure the right decision by law is made.

The UK legal system is still upheld by most of the world as one of the best. People should trust it.
 
DanH said:
This is why appeal courts are there Spider. It’s quite a good system. There’s 7 levels (I think) depending on what it is to make sure the right decision by law is made.

The UK legal system is still upheld by most of the world as one of the best. People should trust it.
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I know, my comment related to a previous discussion with Wissie. I have had my fair share of experiences with appeals. Not criminal courts but the appellate authorities responsible for Immigration. If only I could tell, some on here would appreciate why I have little faith in their decision making
 
Spiderman said:
I know, my comment related to a previous discussion with Wissie. I have had my fair share of experiences with appeals. Not criminal courts but the appellate authorities responsible for Immigration. If only I could tell, some on here would appreciate why I have little faith in their decision making
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I too once appealed a decision made by Home Office officials which was grossly unreasonable and biased. It took 6 months to be heard but was won, with the Judge having some scolding words to say to the officers. I was awarded costs too but more than 10 years later haven’t seen a penny. I am not an Albanian gangster.
 
Every time the wind blows towards France the government (both Labour and Tory) have claimed that the boat numbers are down because their policies are working and nothing to do with the weather.

Hang on I just had a great idea. Why not build offshore wind farms on the south coast it will solve 2 problems at once. Ed Milliband where are you 😀
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I too once appealed a decision made by Home Office officials which was grossly unreasonable and biased. It took 6 months to be heard but was won, with the Judge having some scolding words to say to the officers. I was awarded costs too but more than 10 years later haven’t seen a penny. I am not an Albanian gangster.
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Said every Albanian gangster.
 
Apollofuzz said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Essex couple fined £1,500 after migrant hid on motorhome

The pair are given a £1,500 penalty after finding the young man once they arrived home in Essex.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

So do the right thing and inform the Authorities fined, just let them go no fine.
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well, it sets a nice precedent for the next time middle-aged Nigel & Sharon find a weirdo hiding in their campervan portaloo.

They can either a) dob him in to the authorities, after having shuttled him across the border at Dover ? or b) bung him a fiver and point him in the direction of the local kids school ? its a sick joke and nobody is laughing anymore.
 
The woman has just been interviewed on the radio. She said the car was searched at every border crossing prior to departing France. If the same thing happened again, she said they'd just let the bloke go. That is forming part of their appeal against the fine, is that there wouldn't be an incentive to report stowaways if people were fined for it.
What happened to all these heat sensor cameras the border force were meant to be using to catch stowaways ?
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
What happened to all these heat sensor cameras the border force were meant to be using to catch stowaways ?
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will those heat-cameras also work for 'Curry colleges' ? sham-colleges that provide sham-courses to sham-students ? And all just to get a residency permit.

You need not worry about little dinghies landing on our beaches when there is a legal-tide flowing through our airports.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
will those heat-cameras also work for 'Curry colleges' ? sham-colleges that provide sham-courses to sham-students ? And all just to get a residency permit.

You need not worry about little dinghies landing on our beaches when there is a legal-tide flowing through our airports.
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Whilst there certainly used to be bogus colleges the government introduced new measures that closed them down some years ago. So I don’t think they exist today.

Do you have evidence that they do?
 
PalazioVecchio said:
well, it sets a nice precedent for the next time middle-aged Nigel & Sharon find a weirdo hiding in their campervan portaloo.

They can either a) dob him in to the authorities, after having shuttled him across the border at Dover ? or b) bung him a fiver and point him in the direction of the local kids school ? its a sick joke and nobody is laughing anymore.
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The Home Office says the fine not about guilt, and they have a point.

If you accept the excuse "I didn't know" then all the wrong uns will use it and you would have to prove that they did know which I imagine would be very hard.

It's a deterrent and hopefully holidaymakers will look a bit more closely when coming home.

That said I do feel sorry for them.
 
Badger11 said:
The Home Office says the fine not about guilt, and they have a point.

If you accept the excuse "I didn't know" then all the wrong uns will use it and you would have to prove that they did know which I imagine would be very hard.

It's a deterrent and hopefully holidaymakers will look a bit more closely when coming home.

That said I do feel sorry for them.
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I cannot remember the term, but there is the same rule of thumb in building / contractor trades.
If you have an accident, endanger life etc '' I didnt know'' will not save you from prosecution.
The lending of equipment /plant to others is particularly risky, putting ones head in a noose if they hurt themselves with you kit.
 
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