Here we go, blatant two tier judiciary

[DanH]

You really need to get out of your Internet granny annex from time to time.

You just want someone else to get a knock on the door.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Its actually quite a compliment for white people. We are held to higher standards than non-whites. And lets be honest here, we are talking primarily about criminals.

If a white criminal gets longer in jail than a non-white one then he or she is still a criminal. And, thanks to this new law cementing this, really should know better.

It's just another part of the subjugation process.

You might call it a compliment, but they are normalising the idea of Whites as second class citizens.

The whole thrust of the inequality argument in the legal process was that non Whites were more likely to be arrested, prosecuted and serve a longer sentences. Now the law appears to allow the exact opposite.

Whites are now the victims of racism in their own homeland. Even some on the Left are beginning to see this. The police will become the perceived enemy of the majority thanks to this lunacy.

 

[Stirlingsays]

You just want someone else to get a knock on the door.

There's nothing controversial about what the professor said in that video. The analysis isn't new and security services are well obviously well aware when you look at their funding breakdown. Any student of human nature knows where this goes. The only people surprised are normies.

As Matov says, the only variables are when and what the result is.

I don't have to enjoy the obvious though....in fact I don't.

 

[Matov]

It's just another part of the subjugation process.

You might call it a compliment, but they are normalising the idea of Whites as second class citizens.

The whole thrust of the inequality argument in the legal process was that non Whites were more likely to be arrested, prosecuted and serve a longer sentences. Now the law appears to allow the exact opposite.

Whites are now the victims of racism in their own homeland. Even some on the Left are beginning to see this. The police will become the perceived enemy of the majority thanks to this lunacy.

Depends. I see it as more normalising non-whites as being the second-class citizens. Holding white people to much higher standards.

And the police, collectively, are the enemy now. That is the point. Anybody now joining up does so in the full knowledge that they are signing up to a job that will compel them to lock people up for expressing the wrong kind of political opinion.

That is just a fact. Individual officers may still be on the side of Angels but collectively, they are now part of the opposition. Discourage any and everybody you know from joining up now. Because if they do, unless they are doing so as deliberate infiltrators for our side, then they are lost to us.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Depends. I see it as more normalising non-whites as being the second-class citizens. Holding white people to much higher standards.

And the police, collectively, are the enemy now. That is the point. Anybody now joining up does so in the full knowledge that they are signing up to a job that will compel them to lock people up for expressing the wrong kind of political opinion.

That is just a fact. Individual officers may still be on the side of Angels but collectively, they are now part of the opposition. Discourage any and everybody you know from joining up now. Because if they do, unless they are doing so as deliberate infiltrators for our side, then they are lost to us.

We can argue the logical semantics, but surely your interpretation would suggest that non Whites had previously been held to a higher standard.

Either way, the net result is that we are being screwed.

 

[Matov]

We can argue the logical semantics, but surely your interpretation would suggest that non Whites had previously been held to a higher standard.

Either way, the net result is that we are being screwed.

And? This is a no lose situation for us. We are talking criminals. Who deserve punishing anyway. But the perceived injustice of the situation drives more normies rightwards. Now you might argue about people such as those arrested during the Southport Uprisings but they were going to get spanked no matter what.

With the system, when it suits, happy to dish out the custodials for very little when it comes to the Urban types. Look at the jail terms being dished out following the riots back when they shot Duggan. People going inside for looting bottles of water.

These new sentencing guidelines only do us good. Literally no downsides.

 

[Matov]

Hahaha f*ck me, where do you lot find this stuff.

This fella pushing this 'Civil War' narrative is rather interesting. Some big wig at a top London University. Professor of 'Strategic studies' or some such thing.

People like him do not just come out of the woodwork for nothing.

I appreciate you won't want to listen but this is not just some grifter (and there are plenty of those in dissident Right social media spaces) pushing a sub stack subscription or subscriptions on You Tube.

The man claims to having been briefing intelligence agencies and the like.

Does he have an agenda? Possibly. But you are wrong to be so dismissive. Suspect wiser heads than yours on the Left are giving him a hearing.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

And? This is a no lose situation for us. We are talking criminals. Who deserve punishing anyway. But the perceived injustice of the situation drives more normies rightwards. Now you might argue about people such as those arrested during the Southport Uprisings but they were going to get spanked no matter what.

With the system, when it suits, happy to dish out the custodials for very little when it comes to the Urban types. Look at the jail terms being dished out following the riots back when they shot Duggan. People going inside for looting bottles of water.

These new sentencing guidelines only do us good. Literally no downsides.

I get the logic, but the policy is morally indefensible. It is by definition racism.

Normally criminal are criminals as you suggest, but my main concern is the restrictions on formally free speech. Speech is being criminalised, and it's usually only one kind.

You don't have faith in democracy, so I am left to wonder exactly how you think the fruits of this move to the right will be realised if it isn't via the ballot box.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I get the logic, but the policy is morally indefensible. It is by definition racism.

Normally criminal are criminals as you suggest, but my main concern is the restrictions on formally free speech. Speech is being criminalised, and it's usually only one kind.

You don't have faith in democracy, so I am left to wonder exactly how you think the fruits of this move to the right will be realised if it isn't via the ballot box.

It's a parlour game.

Reform, might get you a five year delay, if they deport more than they say.....but eventually the demographic shift will vote them out.

Something to do while the chickens come home to roost.

 

[Glazier#1]

Problem is that you are still framing the debate against the backdrop of the 'United Kington' as viable model for the future. I believe it is doomed. With the evidence of this decay evident every time people step out of their front doors.

The UK will not see a Far-Right Government ever. Because it would have imploded long before that becomes possible. Just the contradictions of the Welfare state are the guarantors of that. What then follows I am not sure. Oddly enough this implosion will probably see a mass exodus of migrants precisely because they are only here for the handouts (and fair play to them. If anybody is stupid enough to hand out free stuff then you cannot blame people from exploiting that) but the damage will have been done.

I am looking forward to seeing what emerges in the next 15-20 years. I hold out high hopes for the East, with places like Hungary offering a truly inspiring vision of what can be done and maybe even Russia becoming the saviour of many.

If you want a possible outlier then maybe South Africa could offer some salvation. Obviously not in its current form but I see places like Oriana, albeit on a micro-level, along with keeping one eye on the Cape Independence Movement as offering potential hope/blue prints for the future.

If the population of Africa seem intent on moving to Europe then I see no reason why it could not happen the other way around? Everybody wins then.

However my preferred option would be an effective nativist European Federation. A genuine European Union. A 21st Century Holy Roman Empire!

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. 'Nativist': what would be the definition of such? It sounds like it's a federation of states bound together genetically. Then, the bit at the end about 'Holy Roman Empire' sounds like this federation would also be bound by the tenets of the Roman Catholic faith. Am I being dense?

 

[Matov]

I get the logic, but the policy is morally indefensible. It is by definition racism.

Normally criminal are criminals as you suggest, but my main concern is the restrictions on formally free speech. Speech is being criminalised, and it's usually only one kind.

You don't have faith in democracy, so I am left to wonder exactly how you think the fruits of this move to the right will be realised if it isn't via the ballot box.

We live in a time of shifting sands. There is no going back to a Britain of the past. Clinging on to a nostalgia (and a word that is often misunderstood because it is acually quite a negative term) for the land of warm beer and sticking it to the Hun is over. Now personally I think the UK as a whole will become increasingly fractured and eventually will just implode. All I want is for people to become awake to that.

I cannot present a blue-print for the future. Just speculate on one.

All I do know that the the institutions of the UK are now so cucked that we cannot ever reclaim them all and as such, is sending the UK into a death spiral.

The entire point of these sentencing guidelines is that this is not Government policy, or at least openly. They have never appeared on a manifesto. Nor been debated in Parliament. Starmer has gone on record effectively decrying them. Yet appears/chooses to be powerless. The PM. The man who won a landslide election. Proclaiming his hands are tied.

That is the reality of this. This modern UK. And it ain't worth saving.

 

[Matov]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. 'Nativist': what would be the definition of such? It sounds like it's a federation of states bound together genetically. Then, the bit at the end about 'Holy Roman Empire' sounds like this federation would also be bound by the tenets of the Roman Catholic faith. Am I being dense?

Essentially White. And Roman Catholic.

But I am an idealist, when all is said and done.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

We live in a time of shifting sands. There is no going back to a Britain of the past. Clinging on to a nostalgia (and a word that is often misunderstood because it is acually quite a negative term) for the land of warm beer and sticking it to the Hun is over. Now personally I think the UK as a whole will become increasingly fractured and eventually will just implode. All I want is for people to become awake to that.

I cannot present a blue-print for the future. Just speculate on one.

All I do know that the the institutions of the UK are now so cucked that we cannot ever reclaim them all and as such, is sending the UK into a death spiral.

The entire point of these sentencing guidelines is that this is not Government policy, or at least openly. They have never appeared on a manifesto. Nor been debated in Parliament. Starmer has gone on record effectively decrying them. Yet appears/chooses to be powerless. The PM. The man who won a landslide election. Proclaiming his hands are tied.

That is the reality of this. This modern UK. And it ain't worth saving.

So we are left to conclude that he is lying, since there is no higher power. Parliament makes law. Judges enforce it.

I wasn't expecting a plan on the back of a table napkin, but it seems illogical to cheer on the insanity on the basis that it will encourage a shift to the right if you think that there is no way to turn that into change via the current system.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that we must take small steps. The first hurdle is representation in Parliament, be that in the shape of a government or a large minority. Then policy can be affected. If we can have small victories at that stage then we can have bigger ones later, providing that the Right does what it must and the people stay onside.

The tide is turning, and any policy can be reversed with the will and the numbers. We will never be the old Britain again, and I'm not sure I want us to be, but I certainly don't want what we are becoming for the sake of my grandchildren. They deserve better.

 

[Glazier#1]

We live in a time of shifting sands. There is no going back to a Britain of the past. Clinging on to a nostalgia (and a word that is often misunderstood because it is acually quite a negative term) for the land of warm beer and sticking it to the Hun is over. Now personally I think the UK as a whole will become increasingly fractured and eventually will just implode. All I want is for people to become awake to that.

I cannot present a blue-print for the future. Just speculate on one.

All I do know that the the institutions of the UK are now so cucked that we cannot ever reclaim them all and as such, is sending the UK into a death spiral.

The entire point of these sentencing guidelines is that this is not Government policy, or at least openly. They have never appeared on a manifesto. Nor been debated in Parliament. Starmer has gone on record effectively decrying them. Yet appears/chooses to be powerless. The PM. The man who won a landslide election. Proclaiming his hands are tied.

That is the reality of this. This modern UK. And it ain't worth saving.

I don't agree with that.

There is something about the British that is infectious. It can be a wonderful thing to see a second/third generation immigrant infected with that Britishness that I recognise: it's a way of being. I'm sure there are many readers that will be snorting at this this with disgust and I'm equally sure will be asking "What do you mean 'Britishness'" I can't define define what it is. it's just something I recognise when I see it.

I often ask people from other countries who've been here for years "Why?" "Why would you come to this broken country?" and all of them say that they love the British and the way we live. Especially our humour, our music and our "F**k you attitude. Heheh.

 

[Matov]

So we are left to conclude that he is lying, since there is no higher power. Parliament makes law. Judges enforce it.

I wasn't expecting a plan on the back of a table napkin, but it seems illogical to cheer on the insanity on the basis that it will encourage a shift to the right if you think that there is no way to turn that into change via the current system.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that we must take small steps. The first hurdle is representation in Parliament, be that in the shape of a government or a large minority. Then policy can be affected. If we can have small victories at that stage then we can have bigger ones later, providing that the Right does what it must and the people stay onside.

The tide is turning, and any policy can be reversed with the will and the numbers. We will never be the old Britain again, and I'm not sure I want us to be, but I certainly don't want what we are becoming for the sake of my grandchildren. They deserve better.

We had representation in Parliament. Rupert Lowe. Expressing views held by millions. Causing a surge in support for Reform. Actually sounding like a man who might make a difference.

And what happened to him? His OWN party leadership turned on him. Actually reported him the police. Let that sink in.

Final straw for me. Never voted Reform in the GE because I had my suspicions about Farage. To many times had he acted in a manner that made little sense unless you accepted his role was to act as controlled opposition (I feel the same about Tommy Robinson btw).

But then Lowe came along and I just started to think that maybe this time it might be a different.

And a naive fool for doing so.

I want better for your Grandchildren. But see no way to achieve that through voting in UK elections. A misdirection of energy.

 

[Matov]

I don't agree with that.

There is something about the British that is infectious. It can be a wonderful thing to see a second/third generation immigrant infected with that Britishness that I recognise: it's a way of being. I'm sure there are many readers that will be snorting at this this with disgust and I'm equally sure will be asking "What do you mean 'Britishness'" I can't define define what it is. it's just something I recognise when I see it.

I often ask people from other countries who've been here for years "Why?" "Why would you come to this broken country?" and all of them say that they love the British and the way we live. Especially our humour, our music and our "F**k you attitude. Heheh.

So you define yourself as a Civic Nationalist then?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

We had representation in Parliament. Rupert Lowe. Expressing views held by millions. Causing a surge in support for Reform. Actually sounding like a man who might make a difference.

And what happened to him? His OWN party leadership turned on him. Actually reported him the police. Let that sink in.

Final straw for me. Never voted Reform in the GE because I had my suspicions about Farage. To many times had he acted in a manner that made little sense unless you accepted his role was to act as controlled opposition (I feel the same about Tommy Robinson btw).

But then Lowe came along and I just started to think that maybe this time it might be a different.

And a naive fool for doing so.

I want better for your Grandchildren. But see no way to achieve that through voting in UK elections. A misdirection of energy.

I see no sensible alternative.

 

[Glazier#1]

Essentially White. And Roman Catholic.

But I am an idealist, when all is said and done.

Thanks for that. 'White' is a very large spectrum. Any sort of white or genetically identical? (Bit of a clumsy way of putting it, I know). What I mean is there are white English, Scottish, Germans, Dutch and also white Slavs. Would they all be considered as eligible citizens? And would Catholicism be the official state religion?

 

[Glazier#1]

So you define yourself as a Civic Nationalist then?

Err, not quite sure I understand what one of those is.

 

[Matov]

Thanks for that. 'White' is a very large spectrum. Any sort of white or genetically identical? (Bit of a clumsy way of putting it, I know). What I mean is there are white English, Scottish, Germans, Dutch and also white Slavs. Would they all be considered as eligible citizens? And would Catholicism be the official state religion?

All the current EU and EEA nations.

Not sure Catholicism would be the official state religion. More a defining part of the entire structure. Suspect it would require an Emperor figure who would have to be Catholic and who would be effectively endorsed by the Pope.

But it is a work in progress so to speak so watch this space!

On a more serious note, I suspect the solution to what I see as the implosion of the West as a whole may well lay in a genuine Ethno Pan Europeanism Unity movement. Very definitively culturally Christian in terms of both heritage and future outlook but suspect the Catholic Church, unless it was willing to go back to a pre Vatican 2 identity (so in my meta-vision I would envisage Latin becoming the official state language with all that means in terms of my comments about events in 1965) would be potentially part of the problem rather than the solution, at least to start with.