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Here we go, blatant two tier judiciary

Matov said:
So you define yourself as a Civic Nationalist then?
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Sorry. I just looked up a definition.

I'm not sure I could hit all the defining points. Most of that definition isn't bad, though.

Naturally there will be rubbing points like if one religion's law runs differently to the secular laws of the host state. By and large, though, the tenets that I've read would be something to aspire to.
 
Glazier#1 said:
Err, not quite sure I understand what one of those is.
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Lets go with a definition from an AI system....

Civic nationalism is a form of nationalism that emphasizes the idea of a shared identity based on common values, citizenship, and political principles rather than ethnicity, religion, or cultural heritage. It focuses on the legal and political aspects of belonging to a nation, advocating for a sense of unity based on mutual respect for democratic values, individual rights, and social contracts.


In civic nationalism, anyone who subscribes to these principles and upholds the rights and responsibilities of citizenship can be part of the nation, regardless of their background or ethnic origin. It's often contrasted with ethnic nationalism, which defines national belonging based on shared ancestry, language, or cultural traits.


Examples of civic nationalism can be seen in countries like the United States or France, where the focus is on civic ideals such as freedom, equality, and the rule of law rather than shared ethnic or cultural traits.
 
Matov said:
All the current EU and EEA nations.

Not sure Catholicism would be the official state religion. More a defining part of the entire structure. Suspect it would require an Emperor figure who would have to be Catholic and who would be effectively endorsed by the Pope.

But it is a work in progress so to speak so watch this space!

On a more serious note, I suspect the solution to what I see as the implosion of the West as a whole may well lay in a genuine Ethno Pan Europeanism Unity movement. Very definitively culturally Christian in terms of both heritage and future outlook but suspect the Catholic Church, unless it was willing to go back to a pre Vatican 2 identity (so in my meta-vision I would envisage Latin becoming the official state language with all that means in terms of my comments about events in 1965) would be potentially part of the problem rather than the solution, at least to start with.
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Blimey!

Well, I did ask.

Not sure about the Latin bit. In many wars, one of the fundamental abrasive points has been the langauge/identity issue.
 
Glazier#1 said:
Sorry. I just looked up a definition.

I'm not sure I could hit all the defining points. Most of that definition isn't bad, though.

Naturally there will be rubbing points like if one religion's law runs differently to the secular laws of the host state. By and large, though, the tenets that I've read would be something to aspire to.
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So you would say that anybody seeking to live in Britain and adopted its nationality should be expected to defer to the secular laws rather than their own religious beliefs?
 
Glazier#1 said:
Blimey!

Well, I did ask.

Not sure about the Latin bit. In many wars, one of the fundamental abrasive points has been the langauge/identity issue.
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I agree. Hence why a Pan-European Identity movement would require a single language. With Latin the blindingly obvious choice.
 
Matov said:
So you would say that anybody seeking to live in Britain and adopted its nationality should be expected to defer to the secular laws rather than their own religious beliefs?
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I was expecting that. It seems this conversation has taken place while you were gently putting the rope through the ring on my nose heheh.

It's difficult one, for sure. Most of the time I don't think it's a big problem, I think, although there will be sticking points.

What I would say is that if I chose to go and live in a country, I would feel duty-bound to follow the rules of the host country.

I can imagine that it would be hard, if upon being displaced by war and having asylum here, being asked to abandon, wholesale, the religion I'd been brought up by. In that case, where it wasn't choice but necessity to move here, it's some ask to then drop your birth religion as well as your language, home, country, family in some cases.
 
Glazier#1 said:
I can imagine that it would be hard, if upon being displaced by war and having asylum here, being asked to abandon, wholesale, the religion I'd been brought up by. In that case, where it wasn't choice but necessity to move here, it's some ask to then drop your birth religion as well as your language, home, country, family in some cases.
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Almost 95% of asylum seekers (and I have some good Bosnian friends who were literally just thrown on planes then send to random countrys with no fore-knowledge after being forcibilty ejected from their homes by Serbs so there are exceptions) make a conscious decision to head to the UK. Crossing numerous other 'safe' nations, including Islamic ones, before arriving here.

Would you still give them your sympathy when being forced to make a choice because the secular laws already established here and those they bring with them as the baggage of their religion?
 
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