Has Parish ruined this season?

[CrazyBadger]

What has SP managed badly? in your opinion.

he's managed the expectations of the parties Involved badly. He ended up at the correct outcome in the situation he was in, but he should not have been in that position.

It's like he just said 'yes' to all people -
OG: "Can I have assurances we will not sell if There are no time to buy and integrate replacements?"
SP: "Yes"

MG: "Can I leave if Play the remaining Games?"
SP "Yes"

'Pool: "Can we buy MG"
SP "Yes"

If he managed this situation properly, he should either have put his foot down with 'Pool.. and all other suitors that once that particular deadline had passed that MG was not for sale, and also be up front with MG that this was the deal. OR been up front with OG about how sticking to such a deadline is unrealistic.
What ended up happening was inevitable, Liverpool held out knowing that MG wanted to leave, (and that SP wanted to sell after his public statement saying as such) and SP folded.

I admit it's a difficult position for him to be in. Buying replacements and then having to sell to recoup the money(which we needed as was apparent by the downgraded deal for Uche etc) puts him in a very weak negotiating position, so he had to sell before buying. Expectations all round could have been managed better so it didn't p*ss off absolutely everyone at the table.

 

[PatrickA]

he's managed the expectations of the parties Involved badly. He ended up at the correct outcome in the situation he was in, but he should not have been in that position.

It's like he just said 'yes' to all people -
OG: "Can I have assurances we will not sell if There are no time to buy and integrate replacements?"
SP: "Yes"

MG: "Can I leave if Play the remaining Games?"
SP "Yes"

'Pool: "Can we buy MG"
SP "Yes"

If he managed this situation properly, he should either have put his foot down with 'Pool.. and all other suitors that once that particular deadline had passed that MG was not for sale, and also be up front with MG that this was the deal. OR been up front with OG about how sticking to such a deadline is unrealistic.
What ended up happening was inevitable, Liverpool held out knowing that MG wanted to leave, (and that SP wanted to sell after his public statement saying as such) and folded.

I admit it's a difficult position for him to be in. Buying replacements and then having to sell to recoup the money(which we needed as was apparent by the downgraded deal for Uche etc) puts him in a very weak negotiating position, so he had to sell before buying. Expectations all round could have been managed better so it didn't p*ss off absolutely everyone at the table.

Very good post, but I rather fear you are wasting your time.

Many on here will continue to blame Liverpool, blame clickbait, blame the media- anything rather than face reality .

The good thing is that we still retain the best chairman, the best manager and the best centre back in at least my 60 years of supporting the club.

I hope that after the international break playing football matches will concentrate a few minds and we can continue our good start to the season .
I do think the relationship between Glasner and Parish will have been damaged though.
In at least 4 interviews now it is evident that Glasner feels let down.
From Parish's standpoint I'm sure he won't be happy to have been called out publicly for failing to honour commitments.

 

[silvertop]

And I’ll have a pint of whatever you’ve been drinking!

I thought no-one cared what I write!

 

[MrRobbo]

he's managed the expectations of the parties Involved badly. He ended up at the correct outcome in the situation he was in, but he should not have been in that position.

It's like he just said 'yes' to all people -
OG: "Can I have assurances we will not sell if There are no time to buy and integrate replacements?"
SP: "Yes"

MG: "Can I leave if Play the remaining Games?"
SP "Yes"

'Pool: "Can we buy MG"
SP "Yes"

If he managed this situation properly, he should either have put his foot down with 'Pool.. and all other suitors that once that particular deadline had passed that MG was not for sale, and also be up front with MG that this was the deal. OR been up front with OG about how sticking to such a deadline is unrealistic.
What ended up happening was inevitable, Liverpool held out knowing that MG wanted to leave, (and that SP wanted to sell after his public statement saying as such) and SP folded.

I admit it's a difficult position for him to be in. Buying replacements and then having to sell to recoup the money(which we needed as was apparent by the downgraded deal for Uche etc) puts him in a very weak negotiating position, so he had to sell before buying. Expectations all round could have been managed better so it didn't p*ss off absolutely everyone at the table.

Not saying it hasn't. But we dont know it has.

Apparently Glasner was going to walk. Apparently Guehi was going to issue a statement. Apparently Guehi was going to resign as captain. Apparently Parish went to a gym class an hour before the window closed.

There is a lot of sh1t flying around, but not many verified facts.

SP could have set an arbitrary cut off date.
Liverpool may be bid after that
SP may have rejected it out of hand
MG may have pleaded for Parish to see if he could sort a replacement
We tried and failed

Everyone might have been 100% aligned on what was happening.

Ultimately until we hear from SP/OG/MG we have to take everything with a pinch of salt. The press are allowed to print anything they want, no verification required.

 

[FrankieD108]

These same posts are present like autumn leaves on the fan sites of every EPL club save Liverpool and perhaps a few others.

A few years ago there as a strong "Get FSG out .. they are ruining my club!" by Liverpool supporters. Yeah, you can come "ruin my club" FSG .. anytime you like. 🤣

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

he's managed the expectations of the parties Involved badly. He ended up at the correct outcome in the situation he was in, but he should not have been in that position.

It's like he just said 'yes' to all people -
OG: "Can I have assurances we will not sell if There are no time to buy and integrate replacements?"
SP: "Yes"

MG: "Can I leave if Play the remaining Games?"
SP "Yes"

'Pool: "Can we buy MG"
SP "Yes"

If he managed this situation properly, he should either have put his foot down with 'Pool.. and all other suitors that once that particular deadline had passed that MG was not for sale, and also be up front with MG that this was the deal. OR been up front with OG about how sticking to such a deadline is unrealistic.
What ended up happening was inevitable, Liverpool held out knowing that MG wanted to leave, (and that SP wanted to sell after his public statement saying as such) and SP folded.

I admit it's a difficult position for him to be in. Buying replacements and then having to sell to recoup the money(which we needed as was apparent by the downgraded deal for Uche etc) puts him in a very weak negotiating position, so he had to sell before buying. Expectations all round could have been managed better so it didn't p*ss off absolutely everyone at the table.

It is a very good post, it wasn't easy for Parish to manage Glasner, he was walking on egg shells trying not to upset Glasner, I don't know about the Liverpool situation, if they wanted him they would have paid the 10m extra, but they didn't, i don't understand why, something doesn't add up there, if it was 40/45/50 why didn't someone offer a reasonably small amount for the big boys, they say about player power, we have manager power, i think he is manager/Chairman at the moment, Parish is frightened, not of losing Glasner but the devastation and damage that would go with it.

 

[CrazyBadger]

Not saying it hasn't. But we dont know it has.

Apparently Glasner was going to walk. Apparently Guehi was going to issue a statement. Apparently Guehi was going to resign as captain. Apparently Parish went to a gym class an hour before the window closed.

There is a lot of sh1t flying around, but not many verified facts.

SP could have set an arbitrary cut off date.
Liverpool may be bid after that
SP may have rejected it out of hand
MG may have pleaded for Parish to see if he could sort a replacement
We tried and failed

Everyone might have been 100% aligned on what was happening.

Ultimately until we hear from SP/OG/MG we have to take everything with a pinch of salt. The press are allowed to print anything they want, no verification required.

yep, absolutely. this could have happened. I was only speculating, as is the only thing we can do.

the One thing we do know is that OG wasn't happy with it, and MG is dissappointed (understandably). We can only hope that MG remains committed to the project while he's still here and the level of trust is still recoverable between SP and OG. confident that MG will be good. not so sure about OG.

 

[Willo]

Supporters are not privy to all the details, accordingly supposition can be rife.
Without certain knowledge the narrative can gallivant down roads called 'Way off beam' or perhaps 'Somewhat off beam'.
The whole transfer 'World' can be of labyrinthine complexity with a dumper truck full of variables,moving parts and ripple effects.The can be more twists and turns than at the Isle of Man TT race.

 

[Painter]

Parish and Co were undoubtedly the club's saviors and they're Palace fans too, and we'll always grateful for this but there's been way to many f*** ups over the years and false promises galore. This is just my opinion, but time to step down Steve and let someone (I don't know who) step in who has the ambition to twist instead of stick

How did you come to this conclusion, that SP should step down. Step down where, it would mean leaving the club, that under his tenure has been in the top flight longer than ever before and won 2 trophies, never had one before ever ( ZDS is mickey mouse ). He recruited and employed all the people, who achieved this.

You want him gone with no idea, who should replace him at all. Who do you think will have the same passion for the role than Parish, foreigner with a fancy name.

I will wait for shortlist of replacements with interest.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Play in different corners. Sosa is the much needed rotator for Mitchell.

This may sound a little like mistaken hubris given nobody really listens to what I say, but I may regret the next comment.

If we qualify for the knock-out stage in Europe and are doing good in the league, without all the backstory and with our new Sporting Director fully settled, I predict a really good January window.

MG out - comparable CB in.
New RWB.
New RW.
New DM.

I know, but he is a numerical replacement for Ward. Ideally we would have new quality cover for Muñoz, but nothing at Palace is ideal, and we still have Clyne.

Interesting to see if we could get a replacement for Guehi in January or what fee we ask for him. Would he want to leave then, since he can sign a pre contract with anyone who wants him for next season?

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Agreed, I’ve said before that we aren’t going to replace players before they leave. And that Palace have no control over when an acceptable bid is received for our players.

In terms of numbers, the club have delivered to Glasners request.

I think his big beef was the late in the day agreement to let Guehi leave . Glasner so far hasn’t indicated that he’s going to stay beyond this season and at the moment I’d say events have done nothing to encourage him to do so but let’s see.

Also hope that once his head clears, Guehi continues to play to the best of his ability while honouring his contract.

Lots of rumours going around and clickbait muck spreading. My disappointment stems from the club leaving itself open to it

This is all very true but publicly stating we have to sell and can’t let Guehi go for free does do the obvious.

 

[Palacesince64]

yep, absolutely. this could have happened. I was only speculating, as is the only thing we can do.

the One thing we do know is that OG wasn't happy with it, and MG is dissappointed (understandably). We can only hope that MG remains committed to the project while he's still here and the level of trust is still recoverable between SP and OG. confident that MG will be good. not so sure about OG.

I’m not sure we know either of these things. We do know that Ollie said it was too late to sell Guehi so we can assume he was not in favour. No surprise there. We also know Parish was in favour of selling Guehi if the price was right. We know he then attempted to do so but subsequently pulled the plug on the deal. Beyond that we don’t know what happened on Monday when Liverpool made their offer other than the fact the offer was accepted conditional upon us signing a replacement and that Guehi was prepared to go.
It is conceivable that Guehi was happy to stay and go on a free in the summer but prepared to go sooner if that secured a fee for the club. It’s possible Ollie reluctantly accepted that selling Guehi while we could get a decent fee was sensible provided we found an experienced replacement. It’s equally possible once the offer came in that Guehi decided he wanted to go and Ollie, having previously stated that he would accept Guehi going if that’s what the player wanted, reluctantly agreed with the same proviso that we find a replacement. It certainly seems likely that all parties agreed that a suitable replacement was required or the deal was off.

 

[PatrickA]

I’m not sure we know either of these things. We do know that Ollie said it was too late to sell Guehi so we can assume he was not in favour. No surprise there. We also know Parish was in favour of selling Guehi if the price was right. We know he then attempted to do so but subsequently pulled the plug on the deal. Beyond that we don’t know what happened on Monday when Liverpool made their offer other than the fact the offer was accepted conditional upon us signing a replacement and that Guehi was prepared to go.
It is conceivable that Guehi was happy to stay and go on a free in the summer but prepared to go sooner if that secured a fee for the club. It’s possible Ollie reluctantly accepted that selling Guehi while we could get a decent fee was sensible provided we found an experienced replacement. It’s equally possible once the offer came in that Guehi decided he wanted to go and Ollie, having previously stated that he would accept Guehi going if that’s what the player wanted, reluctantly agreed with the same proviso that we find a replacement. It certainly seems likely that all parties agreed that a suitable replacement was required or the deal was off.

...except that with regard to your final paragraph Glasner said in the press conferences before the window closing , and I quote directly, that Guehi 'cannot' be sold.
He went on to say that the decision was down to Parish, but if a successful season was to be had then Guehi should be kept.
There really is no ambiguity around this,whether you think Glasner was right or wrong to say this.

 

[pssguy]

I think you will find it is! however, your entitled to your views 🙂

I'm not aware of any rigorous study of this so it is all a matter of conjecture. For instance, if managers put pressure on to make early signings so they can work with the players for longer then that is going to increase demand in early July and push up prices then

 

[pssguy]

How did you come to this conclusion, that SP should step down. Step down where, it would mean leaving the club, that under his tenure has been in the top flight longer than ever before and won 2 trophies, never had one before ever ( ZDS is mickey mouse ). He recruited and employed all the people, who achieved this.

You want him gone with no idea, who should replace him at all. Who do you think will have the same passion for the role than Parish, foreigner with a fancy name.

I will wait for shortlist of replacements with interest.

John Textor has just thrown his hat into the ring

 

[Palacesince64]

...except that with regard to your final paragraph Glasner said in the press conferences before the window closing , and I quote directly, that Guehi 'cannot' be sold.
He went on to say that the decision was down to Parish, but if a successful season was to be had then Guehi should be kept.
There really is no ambiguity around this,whether you think Glasner was right or wrong to say this.

I think I’ve acknowledged that that was his position before Monday but I’m saying that subsequent events could have led him to reluctantly accept that if Guehi wanted to go and Parish wanted to sell, he would agree on one condition. He may even have insisted that the replacement had to be approved by him and subsequently turned down the Weed reject. The point is we don’t know how Monday played out and the rest is press speculation or information from “a source close to the club”.
Presumably the truth will out at some point.

 

[PatrickA]

I think I’ve acknowledged that that was his position before Monday but I’m saying that subsequent events could have led him to reluctantly accept that if Guehi wanted to go and Parish wanted to sell, he would agree on one condition. He may even have insisted that the replacement had to be approved by him and subsequently turned down the Weed reject. The point is we don’t know how Monday played out and the rest is press speculation or information from “a source close to the club”.
Presumably the truth will out at some point.

Glasner was unequivocal that it wasn't possible to get a replacement on the Monday.The opportunity had passed.
I'm not trying to be difficult, but his position was clear.
On the other hand , Parish had been pretty clear that Guehi should be sold if he wouldn't sign a new contract .
I acknowledge that the media get very excited about these stories, and none of us were in the room, but it defies belief to suggest Glasner was on board in any shape or form with the sale of Guehi on the final day of the window.
The merits of whether he should be able to dictate transfer policy is a different debate which I'm not seeking to address here.

 

[Spindle]

he's managed the expectations of the parties Involved badly. He ended up at the correct outcome in the situation he was in, but he should not have been in that position.

It's like he just said 'yes' to all people -
OG: "Can I have assurances we will not sell if There are no time to buy and integrate replacements?"
SP: "Yes"

MG: "Can I leave if Play the remaining Games?"
SP "Yes"

'Pool: "Can we buy MG"
SP "Yes"

If he managed this situation properly, he should either have put his foot down with 'Pool.. and all other suitors that once that particular deadline had passed that MG was not for sale, and also be up front with MG that this was the deal. OR been up front with OG about how sticking to such a deadline is unrealistic.
What ended up happening was inevitable, Liverpool held out knowing that MG wanted to leave, (and that SP wanted to sell after his public statement saying as such) and SP folded.

I admit it's a difficult position for him to be in. Buying replacements and then having to sell to recoup the money(which we needed as was apparent by the downgraded deal for Uche etc) puts him in a very weak negotiating position, so he had to sell before buying. Expectations all round could have been managed better so it didn't p*ss off absolutely everyone at the table.

Sorry but this is fantasy

 

[Jason Smith]

Parish is replaceable, Glasner isn’t!

 

[Jim_Cannon]

Yes, and if you believe the injuries and suspension page Riad is back on 22nd Nov, Douc 8th Nov, just in time for them to get match fit for AFCON 😎

I doubt they will play afcon even if fit, especially Riad been injured last 18 months pretty much. He will be rusty 😂