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Grooming gangs

kevlee said:
So. My family are Irish immigrants- and we don’t do this s***.
I work with lots of other nationalities and they don’t do this s*** either. Indians, Italians, Greeks.
So why are we allowing Pakistani Muslims to control the agenda through the race card?
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Previously, on here, HOL-Eagles have blamed block-voting. The entirety of a 'community' will vote for this candidate or that one. All based upon a negotiation with politicians. Politicians who thus must dance to the drum.
However, the irish in america circa the time of 'Gangs of New York' were all into block-voting. Tammany hall and all that. And you correctly identify an absence of paedo rape gangs.
Thus , to answer your question Eagle, i reckon its an ideology that has allowed and empowered a rapey culture. Now, for the life of me , i cannot identify what that culture could be. Not football ? not morris dancing, not fast-food nor minicab firms, ...it beats the hell out of me to try to answer your question ? I don't know much about ideologies. Voltaire ? nope, Hermeneutics ? not likely, Post-Modernism ? doubtful.
I give up
 
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Teddy Eagle said:
And many don't as well. Why does it matter anyway. If the police have crimes reported to them they can investigate and make arrests without community involvement.
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Investigation requires cooperation to be successful. If people don’t talk and retreat into protective huddles then your investigation is on the rocks.

To successfully prosecute you need evidence. Evidence of crimes that are often in the past where the physical evidence has long since disappeared. Much easier to do that with the bulk of any community on your side and wanting to distance themselves from the criminals trying to hide within them.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Investigation requires cooperation to be successful. If people don’t talk and retreat into protective huddles then your investigation is on the rocks.

To successfully prosecute you need evidence. Evidence of crimes that are often in the past where the physical evidence has long since disappeared. Much easier to do that with the bulk of any community on your side and wanting to distance themselves from the criminals trying to hide within them.
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Odd then that any arrests have been made at all. Perhaps some sectors of the community are more civic minded than others.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
She is a complete hypocrite.

The things she said, and the lines in the report you refer to, have been politically cherry picked.

Pure political grandstanding.
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Says the expert in such matters ...
 

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Wisbech Eagle said:
I don’t think that’s true!

Commonwealth wealth citizens who have “right of abode” can stay without restrictions. Once here they can then apply for citizenship after the qualifying period. They then have settled status.
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ROA is a settled status. It is the same as having Citizenship apart from not having a British passport. It is primarily used by those who wish to continue to use their own nationality passport rather than a British one, there is no qualifying period, as far as I know, as they have an automatic right to Citizenship.
Do not get confused with Permanent Residency.
Over the years there have been many types of British passports issued, which is a bit of a minefield regarding right of stay in the UK, these are slowly being removed.
For example you had British Dependent Territory Citizens: British Overseas Citizens: British National Overseas Citizens: British Protected Persons.
The second and third examples did not have an automatic right to stay, in fact BNO had to qualify for entry like any other foreign national
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
Because the primary tone of this report is criticism of political inaction on the various previous reports. Criticism that lands squarely at the door of the Tories who are now squabbling about it and trying to blame Labour. When was Starmer DPP? Was ethnicity data collected then, and cancelled by the Tories? The report published today specifically says that the data does not exist upon which to draw conclusions, even if there is enough evidence to justify ensuring it is collected. Which it will now be.

This will become a political dog fight, rather than a genuine learning exercise, if the major parties don’t put aside their prejudices and cooperate.
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2012. My point t was, that as DPP he would have been fully aware of the ethnicity of those involved and the extent of the abuse.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
regarding these rape gangs. I have always asked where were their mothers, sisters, female cousins, and wives ? surely they saw and heard stuff ? but why the silence ?
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Because they saw the victims as lesser thans. Of literal 'white trash'.

But, and this might sound a little odd, this enquiry needs to primarily focus on the cover up. I have nothing but loathing for the community that was at the epicentre of the grooming gangs but they did not exist in a vacuum. They were allowed to do what they did by white people. White people who covered up for them. Even actively allowed this to happen. Those are the ones I harbour the most disgust for.

The grooming was the crime. The cover-up IS the cancer eating away at our society.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Trying to understand what motivates anyone to do anything like this is the key to discovering how best to eradicate it. For sure we need for those with inside knowledge of that to give evidence but whether that evidence can be presented publicly is another matter. It might not be safe to do so.
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Why? For fear of racial tension? Oh wait
 
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1934626658926956754

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934631109205135434
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Badenich should be quiet actually, as Tories were as bad.
With regard to the report findings I am sure the HOL sage will find a way to explain that others who have been correct on here all along, were in fact wrong

www.dailymail.co.uk

Conspiracy of silence over grooming gangs' race doomed girls to abuse

Baroness Casey last night hit out at 'do-gooders' who tried to bury the facts of such cases, yet only ended up giving racists 'more ammunition'.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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Spiderman said:
Badenich should be quiet actually, as Tories were as bad.
With regard to the report findings I am sure the HOL sage will find a way to explain that others who have been correct on here all along, were in fact wrong

www.dailymail.co.uk

Conspiracy of silence over grooming gangs' race doomed girls to abuse

Baroness Casey last night hit out at 'do-gooders' who tried to bury the facts of such cases, yet only ended up giving racists 'more ammunition'.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Agreed.

I suspect that local Labour politicians were involved in the cover up but we had a Tory government for 14 years who did nothing to investigate or expose it.

No one comes out of this with clean hands which is why I smell another more sophisticated cover up. I don't expect anybody to be prosecuted or lose their job or pension both parties will work together to ensure that doesn't happen.
 
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