Grooming gangs

[Wisbech Eagle]

In that case culpability lies with those responsible for deciding policy. Hundreds of young girls suffered during this period and those responsible should be brought to book over it. It's nothing to do with scapegoating - it's about accountability.

I thought the previous enquiries had dealt with that but if not then I hope this will.

You can only deal with what you know and you only do what you honestly believe to be the best thing with the knowledge you have at the time.

We can all be wise after an event. We can all make mistakes. We can all point out things where our approach would have yielded a better outcome.

Learning to avoid repetition must be the target. Not seeking to make political points.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I thought the previous enquiries had dealt with that but if not then I hope this will.

You can only deal with what you know and you only do what you honestly believe to be the best thing with the knowledge you have at the time.

We can all be wise after an event. We can all make mistakes. We can all point out things where our approach would have yielded a better outcome.

Learning to avoid repetition must be the target. Not seeking to make political points.

There is no political point. These girls were failed to an unimaginable level and in many cases have had their lives destroyed by what happened to them. The pressure on those responsible is a factor but it doesn't exonerate anybody. Don't look back in anger? Some obviously find that easier than others.

 

[cryrst]

This will be a glorified whitewash and my post labelled as racist but understand my point.
The bbc story last night specifically stated that 2 white men had groomed the girl and her friend. Still as bad as any Asian gang, granted, abhorrent and throw away the key time. But the facts are that the grooming is predominantly carried out by Asian gangs if you want to look at it with population size against crime. It’s disproportionate and the bbc chose one of possibly a smaller % committed by white men.
Why not got to Rochdale or Telford or any of the places where it’s proven to be by Asian gangs. Alternatively two examples for ethnic balance. This is bullshit reporting and really shows me that this report will be swayed to try in some way to prove “ it’s not just Asians”. On GB news this was highlighted as happening in reports and the guy said it shouldn’t be a one size investigation. Yes look into it but he stated it needs a rifle shot approach to the Asian gangs side of it.
Another example is a disproportionate amount of black males doing bird against population size and this is deemed racist. Just maybe they are actually the worst offenders. That’s my point.
Oh and ironically a survey also said the death penalty for groomers was favoured more by the Muslim community than whites. In the event that I am wrong and it isn’t a brush off report just maybe the guilt some 1000s of Muslims must be feeling for not speaking out can be alleviated by giving them the chance to !

 

[Spiderman]

It will just be another layer of cover up and delay.

We now openly talk about the 'Muslim vote'. The fear of losing it has caused the reality of British girls being raped, tortured and abused to be brushed under the carpet to save political careers.

This is what mass immigration has done for us.

Looks like you may be right but let’s hope not. Surely they cannot get away without a full in depth enquiry? Oh sorry how naive of me

PM calls in 'Britain's FBI' to investigate grooming gangs

The Prime Minister was scrambling to appear decisive after resisting action on the scandal for months.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[georgenorman]

It would be good if the inquiry mentioned the role played by those on social media and online forums that played down, and continue to play down, the fact that the overwhelming majority of those involved in the child rape gangs were of Pakistani heritage and their presentation, for political reasons, that there was nothing really wrong in the actions of the police and authorities.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

There is no political point. These girls were failed to an unimaginable level and in many cases have had their lives destroyed by what happened to them. The pressure on those responsible is a factor but it doesn't exonerate anybody. Don't look back in anger? Some obviously find that easier than others.

Isn’t there? I think there is a great deal of politics involved!

If we accept that the girls have been failed, then let’s analyse how. It’s simplistic just to point fingers at either the police, social workers, civil servants who determine policy, or the politicians we have elected.

It’s much more complicated than that and goes much deeper. Society has failed. We have failed. It seems many of those involved were in care at the time. Why were they in care? Because, in most cases, relationships had failed or their parents were unable to handle them, so an upbringing failure. We have learned in recent years that the care system provided had, at least on some occasions, also failed, being itself infiltrated by paedophiles.

Teenagers are often difficult to understand or manage. Every parent knows that and things happen in every generation they don’t know about then, and may never. My own children have told me things recently they haven’t admitted for the past 50 years. The girls involved in the grooming were vulnerable and exploited but the stories they are telling today are not the same as those they would have told when it was happening.

Blaming under resourced police or social services for failing to deal with a phenomenon they knew nothing about, had no training in how to handle, when the victims often didn’t regard themselves as victims, is not reasonable. When the issue was first recognised at a national level the scale seems not to have been. Deciding to handle it quietly in order to avoid alienating a whole community seems to me to be an understandable reaction, given what was known at the time.

Nobody who failed to do their duty should be exonerated. What their duty at the time must though first be specified. Imposing today’s expectations on yesterday’s public servants should never be done.

We need to learn as a society, not blame individuals as scapegoats, wash our hands free of our own failings and walk away. That would improve nothing and serve no one.

We need to look at why children are in care, and try to avoid it. We need to improve parenting skills and schools. We need to ensure thorough vetting avoids the employment of unsuitable staff in care homes. All of those things have been, and are, being addressed.

None of that excuses, in any way, the actions of the criminals involved or the need to identify and punish them. That’s a given. What I am addressing is trying to improve the environment in which they were able to operate.

I hope the enquiry does too.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Isn’t there? I think there is a great deal of politics involved!

If we accept that the girls have been failed, then let’s analyse how. It’s simplistic just to point fingers at either the police, social workers, civil servants who determine policy, or the politicians we have elected.

It’s much more complicated than that and goes much deeper. Society has failed. We have failed. It seems many of those involved were in care at the time. Why were they in care? Because, in most cases, relationships had failed or their parents were unable to handle them, so an upbringing failure. We have learned in recent years that the care system provided had, at least on some occasions, also failed, being itself infiltrated by paedophiles.

Teenagers are often difficult to understand or manage. Every parent knows that and things happen in every generation they don’t know about then, and may never. My own children have told me things recently they haven’t admitted for the past 50 years. The girls involved in the grooming were vulnerable and exploited but the stories they are telling today are not the same as those they would have told when it was happening.

Blaming under resourced police or social services for failing to deal with a phenomenon they knew nothing about, had no training in how to handle, when the victims often didn’t regard themselves as victims, is not reasonable. When the issue was first recognised at a national level the scale seems not to have been. Deciding to handle it quietly in order to avoid alienating a whole community seems to me to be an understandable reaction, given what was known at the time.

Nobody who failed to do their duty should be exonerated. What their duty at the time must though first be specified. Imposing today’s expectations on yesterday’s public servants should never be done.

We need to learn as a society, not blame individuals as scapegoats, wash our hands free of our own failings and walk away. That would improve nothing and serve no one.

We need to look at why children are in care, and try to avoid it. We need to improve parenting skills and schools. We need to ensure thorough vetting avoids the employment of unsuitable staff in care homes. All of those things have been, and are, being addressed.

None of that excuses, in any way, the actions of the criminals involved or the need to identify and punish them. That’s a given. What I am addressing is trying to improve the environment in which they were able to operate.

I hope the enquiry does too.

Those are admirable intentions but there still needs to be accountability in these cases.
The police should stop being involved in arresting people for Tweets and Facebook posts and concentrate on actual crimes - last year in London there were 33,000 car thefts of which 300 resulted in convictions and the £200 minimum for shoplifting has essentially made it not worth the police turning up.
In the recent spending review the police budget was increased by £2.1 bn - lack of resources isn't an all purpose get out clause.

 

[Spiderman]

Isn’t there? I think there is a great deal of politics involved!

If we accept that the girls have been failed, then let’s analyse how. It’s simplistic just to point fingers at either the police, social workers, civil servants who determine policy, or the politicians we have elected.

It’s much more complicated than that and goes much deeper. Society has failed. We have failed. It seems many of those involved were in care at the time. Why were they in care? Because, in most cases, relationships had failed or their parents were unable to handle them, so an upbringing failure. We have learned in recent years that the care system provided had, at least on some occasions, also failed, being itself infiltrated by paedophiles.

Teenagers are often difficult to understand or manage. Every parent knows that and things happen in every generation they don’t know about then, and may never. My own children have told me things recently they haven’t admitted for the past 50 years. The girls involved in the grooming were vulnerable and exploited but the stories they are telling today are not the same as those they would have told when it was happening.

Blaming under resourced police or social services for failing to deal with a phenomenon they knew nothing about, had no training in how to handle, when the victims often didn’t regard themselves as victims, is not reasonable. When the issue was first recognised at a national level the scale seems not to have been. Deciding to handle it quietly in order to avoid alienating a whole community seems to me to be an understandable reaction, given what was known at the time.

Nobody who failed to do their duty should be exonerated. What their duty at the time must though first be specified. Imposing today’s expectations on yesterday’s public servants should never be done.

We need to learn as a society, not blame individuals as scapegoats, wash our hands free of our own failings and walk away. That would improve nothing and serve no one.

We need to look at why children are in care, and try to avoid it. We need to improve parenting skills and schools. We need to ensure thorough vetting avoids the employment of unsuitable staff in care homes. All of those things have been, and are, being addressed.

None of that excuses, in any way, the actions of the criminals involved or the need to identify and punish them. That’s a given. What I am addressing is trying to improve the environment in which they were able to operate.

I hope the enquiry does too.

So let’s blame society then. Vulnerable girls being raped by much older men, who let’s be honest should have known better! Of course the girls being white made them easy targets as they were trash, apparently. Interesting that none of the victims were from ethnic backgrounds, are there no vulnerable girls in those?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Those are admirable intentions but there still needs to be accountability in these cases.
The police should stop being involved in arresting people for Tweets and Facebook posts and concentrate on actual crimes - last year in London there were 33,000 car thefts of which 300 resulted in convictions and the £200 minimum for shoplifting has essentially made it not worth the police turning up.
In the recent spending review the police budget was increased by £2.1 bn - lack of resources isn't an all purpose get out clause.

What the priorities of the police should be is another subject so let’s not debate that here.

For sure there must be accountability but hopefully it will also be set in its context.

At least you acknowledge that the intentions are admirable.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So let’s blame society then. Vulnerable girls being raped by much older men, who let’s be honest should have known better! Of course the girls being white made them easy targets as they were trash, apparently. Interesting that none of the victims were from ethnic backgrounds, are there no vulnerable girls in those?

For sure we all bear some responsibility for being part of a society that produced this failure.

However failures are inevitable and the most positive thing we can get from them is to learn to do better.

Examining why there weren’t victims from the ethnic communities and why girls in care were targeted is part of that learning.

Of course the men should have known better. There are no excuses for such behaviour and they must be detected and punished.

 

[georgenorman]

For sure we all bear some responsibility for being part of a society that produced this failure.

However failures are inevitable and the most positive thing we can get from them is to learn to do better.

Examining why there weren’t victims from the ethnic communities and why girls in care were targeted is part of that learning.

Of course the men should have known better. There are no excuses for such behaviour and they must be detected and punished.

I and most members of society do not bear any responsibility whatsoever for the child rape gangs of predominately men of Pakistani heritage or for the deliberate inaction and cover up of the police and other authorities.
Failures to attempt to stop crimes such as child rape are not inevitable, they were a deliberate dereliction of duty.
There weren’t victims from the Pakistani heritage population because the child rape gangs were predominantly from that population and they deliberately targeted white children as they are racists as well as being paedophiles. Children in care were targeted because they were easy victims, the care system being more of a don’t care system with some employed in it being paedophiles themselves.
The men did know better – they are degenerate, racist paedophiles and the way their evil reign of terror was allowed to proceed by the inaction of authorities knowing what was going on is a national disgrace as is the Left’s weasel words that attempt to mitigate it.

 

[Badger11]

I and most members of society do not bear any responsibility whatsoever for the child rape gangs of predominately men of Pakistani heritage or for the deliberate inaction and cover up of the police and other authorities.
Failures to attempt to stop crimes such as child rape are not inevitable, they were a deliberate dereliction of duty.
There weren’t victims from the Pakistani heritage population because the child rape gangs were predominantly from that population and they deliberately targeted white children as they are racists as well as being paedophiles. Children in care were targeted because they were easy victims, the care system being more of a don’t care system with some employed in it being paedophiles themselves.
The men did know better – they are degenerate, racist paedophiles and the way their evil reign of terror was allowed to proceed by the inaction of authorities knowing what was going on is a national disgrace as is the Left’s weasel words that attempt to mitigate it.

Ah the old society is to blame excuse.

I agree with you. I do not know any paedophiles or children in danger if I did I would tell the authorities. I don't know any burglars either should I bear a moral responsibility for break ins?

We employ people to safeguard society, if they fail to do their job due to negligence or politics they should be held accountable. Most of us are held accountable in the work place regardless of our particular job. If you are a digger and you leave a hole in the ground without any warning signs don’t be surprised if your boss sanctions you.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Ah the old society is to blame excuse.

isnt it curious how Eastern Europe did not have any Pakistani Rape gangs. So is our society a sick society ?