Grooming gangs

[Wisbech Eagle]

And Musk has done the same so why talk about lies?

Apart from the obvious that it’s none of his business Musk has been adopting a strategy solely based on misinformation and innuendo.

Therefore whilst it’s plausible that Afzal made an honest error it’s not that Musk did.

 

[Spiderman]

If anyone deliberately facilitated abuse then they should be, and doubtless would have been, held accountable. The inquiry’s terms of reference obliged them to refer any such discovery to the police.

However, honest mistakes, or policy decisions that were later seen to be inappropriate, do not fall into that category. Pursuing those who do their jobs and take decisions that are either later seen to be unwise, or don’t match your own, isn’t seeking accountability. It’s conducting a witch hunt.

Purely on a practical level to do so would be a hugely expensive knee jerk reaction to Musk’s interference that would deliver nothing and delay implementation.

Wissie: Do you believe the Police and local authorities have ever been involved in cover ups? This is a serious question.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Apart from the obvious that it’s none of his business Musk has been adopting a strategy solely based on misinformation and innuendo.

Therefore whilst it’s plausible that Afzal made an honest error it’s not that Musk did.

That doesn't make any sense. Afzal was told something and repeated it and that was an honest mistake. Musk was told something and repeated it and he's lying?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

If anyone deliberately facilitated abuse then they should be, and doubtless would have been, held accountable. The inquiry’s terms of reference obliged them to refer any such discovery to the police.

However, honest mistakes, or policy decisions that were later seen to be inappropriate, do not fall into that category. Pursuing those who do their jobs and take decisions that are either later seen to be unwise, or don’t match your own, isn’t seeking accountability. It’s conducting a witch hunt.

Purely on a practical level to do so would be a hugely expensive knee jerk reaction to Musk’s interference that would deliver nothing and delay implementation.

Holding those responsible for policy accountable is a witch-hunt? How convenient. Besides which this view is too subjective to be taken remotely seriously. Had it been Farage's decision you'd be all over it like a pigeon on a chip,

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Should we endeavour to find those accountable ? #surely that is part of the process to find how this was allowed to happen.
Obviously the child rape networks bear primary responsibility, but in order to make situations like these preventable, we need to know who made what decisions, based on what evidence, or on whose authority. ?

And this should be devoid of politics. People are accountable, this is not "group think" policy to allow/facilitate child rape.
These slimy b'stads are still in their jobs or getting ring-fenced pension from their activities facilitating mass child rape. Or do we possibly think funds are being diverted to reward people for not breaking the silence ?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Wissie: Do you believe the Police and local authorities have ever been involved in cover ups? This is a serious question.

That’s like asking how long is a piece of string!

It’s impossible to know for certain but generally no I don’t.

Individuals might have covered up things but the more people are involved the less likely it becomes. Leaks and whistleblowers ensure that. I once worked for a company who were being so squeezed by the major supermarkets to cut the costs of the own label products they produced for them that they secretly amended the recipes so they no longer matched the labelling.

This was handled by a small group close to the CEO but unknown to people like me. It didn’t last long. The factory people saw new recipes. So did quality control. Some disaffected employees reported it to the authorities and all hell broke loose. Big fines resulted and the CEO lost his job. The company then withdrew from the activity for a while as it was unprofitable but when reasonable pricing resumed came back in.

I therefore think that serious cover ups are very unlikely. Far too risky.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That doesn't make any sense. Afzal was told something and repeated it and that was an honest mistake. Musk was told something and repeated it and he's lying?

Read the whole BBC Verify report and perhaps it might.

Afzal doesn’t understand how or why he came to accept it.

Musk doesn’t even question it.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Holding those responsible for policy accountable is a witch-hunt? How convenient. Besides which this view is too subjective to be taken remotely seriously. Had it been Farage's decision you'd be all over it like a pigeon on a chip,

Accountable for what?

Deliberately facilitating? Of course. They should and I am sure they would be if the evidence exists. The inquiry was charged with evaluating that.

For making decisions now regarded as wrong? That’s not accountability.

The same standards apply to all.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Read the whole BBC Verify report and perhaps it might.

Afzal doesn’t understand how or why he came to accept it.

Musk doesn’t even question it.

So what? They've both done the same thing. Besides which who knows how much questioning he did.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Accountable for what?

Deliberately facilitating? Of course. They should and I am sure they would be if the evidence exists. The inquiry was charged with evaluating that.

For making decisions now regarded as wrong? That’s not accountability.

The same standards apply to all.

If those decisions were taken based on ideology there should be some degree of accountability.
The same standards apply to all? Really? When those of whom you approve act in good faith and those of whom you don't are malicious liars that's just not true.

 

[georgenorman]

There are several levels of scumbaggery involved in all this. Scumbag 1st Class are the actual perpetrators of the mass-rape of children. 2nd class are those in the ‘communities’ and authorities that deliberately ignored what was going on when they knew full well that it was going on. 3rd class are those that make excuses for the 2nd class scumbags and try to pretend that there are no ‘heritage’, cultural and political factors involved in the whole scandal.

 

[cryrst]

That doesn't make any sense. Afzal was told something and repeated it and that was an honest mistake. Musk was told something and repeated it and he's lying?

And people are in clink for repeating things.
Makes you wonder !

 

[cryrst]

Accountable for what?

Deliberately facilitating? Of course. They should and I am sure they would be if the evidence exists. The inquiry was charged with evaluating that.

For making decisions now regarded as wrong? That’s not accountability.

The same standards apply to all.

It’s not like comparing the witch trials to now. This is something from 20 years ago which was as wrong then as now.
You defence is full of holes

 

[steeleye20]

The vast majority of grooming gang offences are carried out by white men, the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) has said.

New figures from the police database show that, where ethnicity data was available, 85% of “group-based” child abusers were white in the first three quarters of 2024.

'Offences where grooming gangs are involved are predominantly white. There is not a significant issue here with any particular ethnicity or setting'

😎

 

[PalazioVecchio]

If anyone deliberately facilitated abuse then they should be, and doubtless would have been, held accountable. The inquiry’s terms of reference obliged them to refer any such discovery to the police.

Are you on drugs, dear Wisbech ?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So what? They've both done the same thing. Besides which who knows how much questioning he did.

They haven’t. One has reposted something he was sent, along with dozens of other posts in the same day. There is no way he could possibly have verified it. He didn’t have time or the interest. It was just another example of him posting anything which supports his current obsessions.

The other accepts he was misled by others he believes were also misled. Yes, what he said turned out to be untrue but that doesn’t mean he did the same thing. As in most things, context matters.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Are you on drugs, dear Wisbech ?

Not the kind you mean no. Never taken any. Never seen any.

But thanks. My medication is due. I am currently on antibiotics.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

They haven’t. One has reposted something he was sent, along with dozens of other posts in the same day. There is no way he could possibly have verified it. He didn’t have time or the interest. It was just another example of him posting anything which supports his current obsessions.

The other accepts he was misled by others he believes were also misled. Yes, what he said turned out to be untrue but that doesn’t mean he did the same thing. As in most things, context matters.

Doesn't seem unreasonable to trust a claim made by the Chief Prosecutor. It wasn't like he was quoting something he'd seen on a football site.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

And people are in clink for repeating things.
Makes you wonder !

No they aren’t.

They are in jail for breaking the law.

Spreading hate speech or inciting others to violence is illegal.

 

[georgenorman]

The vast majority of grooming gang offences are carried out by white men, the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) has said.

New figures from the police database show that, where ethnicity data was available, 85% of “group-based” child abusers were white in the first three quarters of 2024.

'Offences where grooming gangs are involved are predominantly white. There is not a significant issue here with any particular ethnicity or setting'

😎

What is "group-based"? What is their definition of "abuse"? What about pre-2024. What is the definition of "grooming gang"? What are the figures for "child-rape gangs"? Why do left-wingers like you seek to deflect, apologise for and trivalise the mass rape of children by predominately Pakistani heritage scumbags 1st Class?