Glasner, Part 2

[PalazioVecchio]

Its all about opinions, some people can look at a Cezanne, Klimt or a hieronymus bosch, (they are Painters by the way) and see a Masterpiece and some see a load of rubbish, Opinions

if you are Palace, the whole of life is Heironomus Bosch.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Calling people thick and lemmings because they have a different opinion is poor. Your better than that

You are correct, i should not have said some of the things i have, But i still feel that Glasner is not the manager for Palace, this is my Last post for a while, i think the inflexibility in what i see, IMO, is his downfall, we have started every game with the same formation, and IMO i don't see any in game tactical changes, until the last 10 minutes, the only slight change IMO is playing a bit more direct, but that is almost impossible, IMO, with wingbacks, where is there starting position when we are in possession, a long ball up to Mateta is 50/50 chance of gaining possession, so if the WBs are high you leave yourself open defensively, if they play deeper then you lack numbers up the pitch to keep possession, Eze looks lost in his role, as do Sarr and Mitchell, i think results, IMO will get worse and worse this season, and IMO i would replace him with Dyche, before, IMO it is too late, thank you for reading my post, if you have, and COYP.

 

[cpfc001]

You are correct, i should not have said some of the things i have, But i still feel that Glasner is not the manager for Palace, this is my Last post for a while, i think the inflexibility in what i see, IMO, is his downfall, we have started every game with the same formation, and IMO i don't see any in game tactical changes, until the last 10 minutes, the only slight change IMO is playing a bit more direct, but that is almost impossible, IMO, with wingbacks, where is there starting position when we are in possession, a long ball up to Mateta is 50/50 chance of gaining possession, so if the WBs are high you leave yourself open defensively, if they play deeper then you lack numbers up the pitch to keep possession, Eze looks lost in his role, as do Sarr and Mitchell, i think results, IMO will get worse and worse this season, and IMO i would replace him with Dyche, before, IMO it is too late, thank you for reading my post, if you have, and COYP.

IMO you have used IMO too many times in your post.

 

[park the bus]

You are correct, i should not have said some of the things i have, But i still feel that Glasner is not the manager for Palace, this is my Last post for a while, i think the inflexibility in what i see, IMO, is his downfall, we have started every game with the same formation, and IMO i don't see any in game tactical changes, until the last 10 minutes, the only slight change IMO is playing a bit more direct, but that is almost impossible, IMO, with wingbacks, where is there starting position when we are in possession, a long ball up to Mateta is 50/50 chance of gaining possession, so if the WBs are high you leave yourself open defensively, if they play deeper then you lack numbers up the pitch to keep possession, Eze looks lost in his role, as do Sarr and Mitchell, i think results, IMO will get worse and worse this season, and IMO i would replace him with Dyche, before, IMO it is too late, thank you for reading my post, if you have, and COYP.

More nonsense.
You are usually keen to cite stats, so here's the league results from Dec / Jan:

Dec 3 away win
Dec 7 home draw
Dec 15 away win
Dec 21 home loss (Arsenal I bet you were happy)
Dec 26 away draw
Dec 29 home win
Jan 4 home draw
Jan 15 away win
Jan 18 away win
Jan 26 home loss (Brentford in abysmal conditions)

W D W L D W D W W L

Pretty decent I'd say, and all without an injured key playmaker and including an out of form future Ballon D'Or winner. Common knowledge that our home form needs improving, so there's always something to work on.

 

[MrRobbo]

More nonsense.
You are usually keen to cite stats, so here's the league results from Dec / Jan:

Dec 3 away win
Dec 7 home draw
Dec 15 away win
Dec 21 home loss (Arsenal I bet you were happy)
Dec 26 away draw
Dec 29 home win
Jan 4 home draw
Jan 15 away win
Jan 18 away win
Jan 26 home loss (Brentford in abysmal conditions)

W D W L D W D W W L

Pretty decent I'd say, and all without an injured key playmaker and including an out of form future Ballon D'Or winner. Common knowledge that our home form needs improving, so there's always something to work on.

But had to sit relatively quiet throughout that run and wait for a loss to start 'Glasner Part 2'

 

[PatrickA]

When Glasner joined he said words to the effect that if Palace were looking for a manager content to settle for a mid table position then he was not that manager.
His ambition was clear and he made the board aware of this.

My view at the moment is that the board either can't or won't match that ambition.

I think he has one year remaining after this season with rumours that Leipzig are interested in him.

I don't believe he will be sacked, nor should he be, but it's more a question of crunch time approaching at the end of the season as to his future with the club.

We appear destined for another mid table finish this season, and without proper squad reinforcements it's difficult to see how we can improve on this

Long term fans will see mid table in the Premier League as success, but it does not appear that Glasner shares that view and he commendably has greater ambitions.

 

[Painter]

You are correct, i should not have said some of the things i have, But i still feel that Glasner is not the manager for Palace, this is my Last post for a while, i think the inflexibility in what i see, IMO, is his downfall, we have started every game with the same formation, and IMO i don't see any in game tactical changes, until the last 10 minutes, the only slight change IMO is playing a bit more direct, but that is almost impossible, IMO, with wingbacks, where is there starting position when we are in possession, a long ball up to Mateta is 50/50 chance of gaining possession, so if the WBs are high you leave yourself open defensively, if they play deeper then you lack numbers up the pitch to keep possession, Eze looks lost in his role, as do Sarr and Mitchell, i think results, IMO will get worse and worse this season, and IMO i would replace him with Dyche, before, IMO it is too late, thank you for reading my post, if you have, and COYP.

The suggestion of Dyche, who gets his teams to play the most boring football possible, is pathetic. He has a record of failure, but you want to replace a European Trophy winning manager with him.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

But had to sit relatively quiet throughout that run and wait for a loss to start 'Glasner Part 2'

And you know we do eventually part ways with Glasner, regardless what goes on between now and then, he will still claim he was right all along.

 

[Willo]

The suggestion of Dyche, who gets his teams to play the most boring football possible, is pathetic. He has a record of failure, but you want to replace a European Trophy winning manager with him.

Dyche was responsible for 2 promotions for Burnley to the PL.
He secured a 7th place finish for Burnley which qualified them to play in the Europa League.
When he joined Everton they were in the relegation places after 20 PL games and they avoided the dreaded drop that season.
His mantra is "The minimum requirement is the maximum commitment", or words to that effect.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Dyche was responsible for 2 promotions for Burnley to the PL.
He secured a 7th place finish for Burnley which qualified them to play in the Europa League.
When he joined Everton they were in the relegation places after 20 PL games and they avoided the dreaded drop that season.
His mantra is "The minimum requirement is the maximum commitment", or words to that effect.

He'll love Eze then 🤣

 

[taylors lovechild]

You are correct, i should not have said some of the things i have, But i still feel that Glasner is not the manager for Palace, this is my Last post for a while, i think the inflexibility in what i see, IMO, is his downfall, we have started every game with the same formation, and IMO i don't see any in game tactical changes, until the last 10 minutes, the only slight change IMO is playing a bit more direct, but that is almost impossible, IMO, with wingbacks, where is there starting position when we are in possession, a long ball up to Mateta is 50/50 chance of gaining possession, so if the WBs are high you leave yourself open defensively, if they play deeper then you lack numbers up the pitch to keep possession, Eze looks lost in his role, as do Sarr and Mitchell, i think results, IMO will get worse and worse this season, and IMO i would replace him with Dyche, before, IMO it is too late, thank you for reading my post, if you have, and COYP.

I think what is clear is that Glasner's approach is based on thorough planning to ensure everyone knows what they should be doing. This probably explains why historically his teams are slow starters as they learn and adapt to his tactics. What his record does show is that he has always delivered results, probably due to that meticulous planning. It's odd you reference Sarr as he has been in great form. Eze has had plenty of the ball it's just his finishing and final ball have not been there. You can't blame tactics for that. It's not like under Vieira when we were struggling to get forward. Under Glasner he sets his teams up to try and create chances, reflected in the fact the team are 10th in number of big chances created (only a few behind Bournemouth and Newcastle) and 8th for number of shots. I do think Eze is missing a player he can link up with but that's a personnel issue, not a tactical one. It is also worth noting that as well as ranking highly for creating chances the club are also 7th for most number of clean sheets.

So we have a manager who gets us creating lots of chances, makes us solid defensively, and all while operating with one of the smallest squads in the PL and missing several key players at various points. What is it exactly that you want? Who is the manager that is going to deliver more than that? Bournemouth and Forest are doing great, but both have a net spend in the last few years that is far higher than ours. Give OG another £100m worth of players and I'm sure he'd have a few extra points on the board too.

 

[Jacey]

The suggestion of Dyche, who gets his teams to play the most boring football possible, is pathetic. He has a record of failure, but you want to replace a European Trophy winning manager with him.

Lack of signings and adequate support in the window will not sit well with an ambitious manager like OG,who made his position quite clear from the outset.
Would not be surprised if he walks at the end of this season to a more ambitious Club,willing to support his winning mentality.

 

[JHB]

I think what is clear is that Glasner's approach is based on thorough planning to ensure everyone knows what they should be doing. This probably explains why historically his teams are slow starters as they learn and adapt to his tactics. What his record does show is that he has always delivered results, probably due to that meticulous planning. It's odd you reference Sarr as he has been in great form. Eze has had plenty of the ball it's just his finishing and final ball have not been there. You can't blame tactics for that. It's not like under Vieira when we were struggling to get forward. Under Glasner he sets his teams up to try and create chances, reflected in the fact the team are 10th in number of big chances created (only a few behind Bournemouth and Newcastle) and 8th for number of shots. I do think Eze is missing a player he can link up with but that's a personnel issue, not a tactical one. It is also worth noting that as well as ranking highly for creating chances the club are also 7th for most number of clean sheets.

So we have a manager who gets us creating lots of chances, makes us solid defensively, and all while operating with one of the smallest squads in the PL and missing several key players at various points. What is it exactly that you want? Who is the manager that is going to deliver more than that? Bournemouth and Forest are doing great, but both have a net spend in the last few years that is far higher than ours. Give OG another £100m worth of players and I'm sure he'd have a few extra points on the board too.

The point about spending is a good one. Lots of pundits etc talk about Forest as a plucky underdog but their net spend over the last couple of years is amongst the highest in the EPL. They also blatantly and knowing broke financial fair play rules to do it.

 

[NEILLO]

I think what is clear is that Glasner's approach is based on thorough planning to ensure everyone knows what they should be doing. This probably explains why historically his teams are slow starters as they learn and adapt to his tactics. What his record does show is that he has always delivered results, probably due to that meticulous planning. It's odd you reference Sarr as he has been in great form. Eze has had plenty of the ball it's just his finishing and final ball have not been there. You can't blame tactics for that. It's not like under Vieira when we were struggling to get forward. Under Glasner he sets his teams up to try and create chances, reflected in the fact the team are 10th in number of big chances created (only a few behind Bournemouth and Newcastle) and 8th for number of shots. I do think Eze is missing a player he can link up with but that's a personnel issue, not a tactical one. It is also worth noting that as well as ranking highly for creating chances the club are also 7th for most number of clean sheets.

So we have a manager who gets us creating lots of chances, makes us solid defensively, and all while operating with one of the smallest squads in the PL and missing several key players at various points. What is it exactly that you want? Who is the manager that is going to deliver more than that? Bournemouth and Forest are doing great, but both have a net spend in the last few years that is far higher than ours. Give OG another £100m worth of players and I'm sure he'd have a few extra points on the board too.

That’s a carefully thought out, well articulated presentation of some of the pertinent facts.

Unfortunately it’s totally wasted on the OP but appreciate your efforts !

 

[Willo]

That’s a carefully thought out, well articulated presentation of some of the pertinent facts.

Unfortunately it’s totally wasted on the OP but appreciate your efforts !

I garland these comments with approbation.

 

[Daddyorc]

Lack of signings and adequate support in the window will not sit well with an ambitious manager like OG,who made his position quite clear from the outset.
Would not be surprised if he walks at the end of this season to a more ambitious Club,willing to support his winning mentality.

He cannot just walk out. He's under a contract. We would need to be compensated to let him join another club.

 

[est1905]

When Glasner joined he said words to the effect that if Palace were looking for a manager content to settle for a mid table position then he was not that manager.
His ambition was clear and he made the board aware of this.

My view at the moment is that the board either can't or won't match that ambition.

I think he has one year remaining after this season with rumours that Leipzig are interested in him.

I don't believe he will be sacked, nor should he be, but it's more a question of crunch time approaching at the end of the season as to his future with the club.

We appear destined for another mid table finish this season, and without proper squad reinforcements it's difficult to see how we can improve on this

Long term fans will see mid table in the Premier League as success, but it does not appear that Glasner shares that view and he commendably has greater ambitions.

While I agree with this last part completely I would add that Glasner has learned our history and now knows a lot more about how hard it is to compete at this level. Much harder than the Austrian or the German league. And (apart from Frankfurt where he was rumoured to have fallen out with the owners over broken promises) he has generally been loyal to employers and sought to see a project through.
I personally believe if he can see with his own eyes the owners are trying their best to support him in the transfer market and he has the full support of the players he will stay. Lets face it, he had the chance to at least speak with Bayern a year ago. He chose to honor the contract he has signed with Palace.

 

[est1905]

The suggestion of Dyche, who gets his teams to play the most boring football possible, is pathetic. He has a record of failure, but you want to replace a European Trophy winning manager with him.

I suggested Dyche with tongue in cheek when replying to this person's post. I was actually gobsmacked when he said he would actually prefer negative Dyche to Glasner!

 

[est1905]

And you know we do eventually part ways with Glasner, regardless what goes on between now and then, he will still claim he was right all along.

Unless Glasner ends up staying years, makes Palace a regular top 10 fixture, gets us into Europe and maybe even wins a domestic cup?
No, thinking about it if we were to enjoy real success under Glasner over the next 5 to 10 years when he eventually left he'd still say we'd have won the CL with Dyche! 🤣 🤣 🤣

 

[KWIL37]

Unless Glasner ends up staying years, makes Palace a regular top 10 fixture, gets us into Europe and maybe even wins a domestic cup?
No, thinking about it if we were to enjoy real success under Glasner over the next 5 to 10 years when he eventually left he'd still say we'd have won the CL with Dyche! 🤣 🤣 🤣

Jeez guys , give it a rest already . The man is entitled to his opinion, he might not be right but he has admitted that himself , it is a discussion forum not a bullying forum . Give the man a break from the snide remarks .