NEILLO
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How is that bullying ? “ The Man “ has liberally insulted anyone on here that disagrees with his views.
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Glasner, Part 2
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And he has apologised for it , he knows what he said was wrong now time to move on . Have you never said anything in haste and regretted it . Life is too short to hold a grudge , we are all Palace at the end of the day and all want what is best for the club . We will all be shouting for Palace to beat United on Sunday and so will Lanzo .
Its not the first time! Not sure if its his difficulty expressing himself or his utter contempt for other posters.
NEILLO
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Yes, until the next time !
Of course I’ve regretted stuff said in haste - but it’s different from ( presumably ) thinking something and then writing it isn’t it ?
No grudge here, I even recently ‘ liked ‘ one of his posts.
All this is merely giving attention to something that doesn’t warrant it - and I plead guilty to fuelling it
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Ok one and all........ can we please get this thread back to discussing Glasner, Part 2 and his failings or otherwise, rather than turning this into a pile-on on Lanzo-Ad, who, rightly or wrongly, is entitled to his opinions and to express them here as long as he does so within the rules.
You all know the rules (or should) - discuss the post, not the poster - and if you disagree that much with his/her opinion - we always have the 'ignore' button for your use.......
Thank you
Ok one and all........ can we please get this thread back to discussing Glasner, Part 2 and his failings or otherwise, rather than turning this into a pile-on on Lanzo-Ad, who, rightly or wrongly, is entitled to his opinions and to express them here as long as he does so within the rules.
You all know the rules (or should) - discuss the post, not the poster - and if you disagree that much with his/her opinion - we always have the 'ignore' button for your use.......
Thank you
DANGERCLOSE
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Problem here its not so much with Glasner its poor recruitment. Nketiah dosent fit our system, we needed another target man like Mateta incase he got injured, we lack decent back ups in the LWB and RWB positions.
SP and DF need to back the manager, it annoys me so much to see the likes of Bournemouth,Forest, Brentford,Fulham and dare i say it Brighton doing better than us when we have been in the prem longer.
SP and DF need to back the manager, it annoys me so much to see the likes of Bournemouth,Forest, Brentford,Fulham and dare i say it Brighton doing better than us when we have been in the prem longer.
The gaps in the squad are clear. However, it’s also not like the manager was completely unbacked in the summer. We brought in Kamada, who was clearly an OG pick, on high wages. We also spent £17m to bring in Lacroix who was also an OG pick and a very good one at that.
I’m not saying that we shouldn’t also have addressed other areas and I think most of us agree the Nketiah purchase was a poor one for the reasons you give. However, we also have to see we operate on one of the tighter budgets in the EPL. Forest have had a huge net spend in recent times, one of the highest in the League. We just don’t have that financial firepower.
This might be interesting reading
Premier League - Transfer balance and five-year comparison
In dieser Statistik werden die Transferbilanzen der letzten fünf bzw. zehn Jahre der Vereine der Premier League miteinander verglichen.
FYI Our 5 year net spend is higher than Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford. So its not a case of not spending.
But ultimately our transfer policy is and will be critical to our growth. And some fans need to understand the dynamics at play:
Until this summer (Olise, Anderson, Jonstone, Ayew) we've had next to no sales. Since 20/20 we've only sold Sorloth and Benteke. For most of our premiership tennure we have been buying older players with no sell on potential. DF and SP have gone a great job in recent years to overhaul the make up of the squad. We now have a lot of young valuable players on the books. This needs to be recognised.
Selling at the right time becomes critical to make the model work, Anderson being a great example of that. JMP will be the next one. We cant be offering silly contracts at the wrong ages. As important as a player might be (JPM is a perfect example) we need to manage the situation perfectly. (JPM is 28 in the summer, value will dramatically decline. So IMO we either need to sell asap, or be comfortable that he'll see his career out with us). Fans generally hate seeing any good player sold, but often fail to appreciate that its for the greater good.
Making the right decisions on players is critical. A lot on here slammed the decision to replace Anderson with Lacroix, however it was the smart call. Replacing with a younger model, banking some cash and selling an aging asset. (On this trajectory Lacroix might be worth £50m in a couple of years, and Anderson will be sat on the bench)
Supplement were possible with free transfers e.g. Lerma/Kamada. Obviously the jury is still out on Kamada, but (although wages are high) allow us to supplement the squad with experience, whilst mitigating the risk (not mandatory to get a transfer fee)
Sell on potential needs to be a huge decision in every transfer. Almiron, Chilwell etc are depreciating assets we cant afford to be making these sort of transfers where they are ultimately released for free.
Of course the model comes with some downsides, turmoil (eg Lacroix taking a couple of months to settle) and danger (getting the recruitment wrong, or having to try to replace the irreplaceable). But ultimately if we get it right more often than not, we'll keep moving in the right direction. And its clear we are moving in the right direction. Keep the faith!
jarrett1985
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This might be interesting reading
Premier League - Transfer balance and five-year comparison
In dieser Statistik werden die Transferbilanzen der letzten fünf bzw. zehn Jahre der Vereine der Premier League miteinander verglichen.www.transfermarkt.co.uk
FYI Our 5 year net spend is higher than Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford. So its not a case of not spending.
But ultimately our transfer policy is and will be critical to our growth. And some fans need to understand the dynamics at play:
Until this summer (Olise, Anderson, Jonstone, Ayew) we've had next to no sales. Since 20/20 we've only sold Sorloth and Benteke. For most of our premiership tennure we have been buying older players with no sell on potential. DF and SP have gone a great job in recent years to overhaul the make up of the squad. We now have a lot of young valuable players on the books. This needs to be recognised.
Selling at the right time becomes critical to make the model work, Anderson being a great example of that. JMP will be the next one. We cant be offering silly contracts at the wrong ages. As important as a player might be (JPM is a perfect example) we need to manage the situation perfectly. (JPM is 28 in the summer, value will dramatically decline. So IMO we either need to sell asap, or be comfortable that he'll see his career out with us). Fans generally hate seeing any good player sold, but often fail to appreciate that its for the greater good.
Making the right decisions on players is critical. A lot on here slammed the decision to replace Anderson with Lacroix, however it was the smart call. Replacing with a younger model, banking some cash and selling an aging asset. (On this trajectory Lacroix might be worth £50m in a couple of years, and Anderson will be sat on the bench)
Supplement were possible with free transfers e.g. Lerma/Kamada. Obviously the jury is still out on Kamada, but (although wages are high) allow us to supplement the squad with experience, whilst mitigating the risk (not mandatory to get a transfer fee)
Sell on potential needs to be a huge decision in every transfer. Almiron, Chilwell etc are depreciating assets we cant afford to be making these sort of transfers where they are ultimately released for free.
Of course the model comes with some downsides, turmoil (eg Lacroix taking a couple of months to settle) and danger (getting the recruitment wrong, or having to try to replace the irreplaceable). But ultimately if we get it right more often than not, we'll keep moving in the right direction. And its clear we are moving in the right direction. Keep the faith!
Willo
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Hear Hear.This might be interesting reading
Premier League - Transfer balance and five-year comparison
In dieser Statistik werden die Transferbilanzen der letzten fünf bzw. zehn Jahre der Vereine der Premier League miteinander verglichen.
FYI Our 5 year net spend is higher than Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford. So its not a case of not spending.
But ultimately our transfer policy is and will be critical to our growth. And some fans need to understand the dynamics at play:
Until this summer (Olise, Anderson, Jonstone, Ayew) we've had next to no sales. Since 20/20 we've only sold Sorloth and Benteke. For most of our premiership tennure we have been buying older players with no sell on potential. DF and SP have gone a great job in recent years to overhaul the make up of the squad. We now have a lot of young valuable players on the books. This needs to be recognised.
Selling at the right time becomes critical to make the model work, Anderson being a great example of that. JMP will be the next one. We cant be offering silly contracts at the wrong ages. As important as a player might be (JPM is a perfect example) we need to manage the situation perfectly. (JPM is 28 in the summer, value will dramatically decline. So IMO we either need to sell asap, or be comfortable that he'll see his career out with us). Fans generally hate seeing any good player sold, but often fail to appreciate that its for the greater good.
Making the right decisions on players is critical. A lot on here slammed the decision to replace Anderson with Lacroix, however it was the smart call. Replacing with a younger model, banking some cash and selling an aging asset. (On this trajectory Lacroix might be worth £50m in a couple of years, and Anderson will be sat on the bench)
Supplement were possible with free transfers e.g. Lerma/Kamada. Obviously the jury is still out on Kamada, but (although wages are high) allow us to supplement the squad with experience, whilst mitigating the risk (not mandatory to get a transfer fee)
Sell on potential needs to be a huge decision in every transfer. Almiron, Chilwell etc are depreciating assets we cant afford to be making these sort of transfers where they are ultimately released for free.
Of course the model comes with some downsides, turmoil (eg Lacroix taking a couple of months to settle) and danger (getting the recruitment wrong, or having to try to replace the irreplaceable). But ultimately if we get it right more often than not, we'll keep moving in the right direction. And its clear we are moving in the right direction. Keep the faith!
Comments rooted in sound judgement and common sense.
Applause thundering down like monsoon rain on a tin roof.
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Davepalace707
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This might be interesting reading
Premier League - Transfer balance and five-year comparison
In dieser Statistik werden die Transferbilanzen der letzten fünf bzw. zehn Jahre der Vereine der Premier League miteinander verglichen.
FYI Our 5 year net spend is higher than Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford. So its not a case of not spending.
But ultimately our transfer policy is and will be critical to our growth. And some fans need to understand the dynamics at play:
Until this summer (Olise, Anderson, Jonstone, Ayew) we've had next to no sales. Since 20/20 we've only sold Sorloth and Benteke. For most of our premiership tennure we have been buying older players with no sell on potential. DF and SP have gone a great job in recent years to overhaul the make up of the squad. We now have a lot of young valuable players on the books. This needs to be recognised.
Selling at the right time becomes critical to make the model work, Anderson being a great example of that. JMP will be the next one. We cant be offering silly contracts at the wrong ages. As important as a player might be (JPM is a perfect example) we need to manage the situation perfectly. (JPM is 28 in the summer, value will dramatically decline. So IMO we either need to sell asap, or be comfortable that he'll see his career out with us). Fans generally hate seeing any good player sold, but often fail to appreciate that its for the greater good.
Making the right decisions on players is critical. A lot on here slammed the decision to replace Anderson with Lacroix, however it was the smart call. Replacing with a younger model, banking some cash and selling an aging asset. (On this trajectory Lacroix might be worth £50m in a couple of years, and Anderson will be sat on the bench)
Supplement were possible with free transfers e.g. Lerma/Kamada. Obviously the jury is still out on Kamada, but (although wages are high) allow us to supplement the squad with experience, whilst mitigating the risk (not mandatory to get a transfer fee)
Sell on potential needs to be a huge decision in every transfer. Almiron, Chilwell etc are depreciating assets we cant afford to be making these sort of transfers where they are ultimately released for free.
Of course the model comes with some downsides, turmoil (eg Lacroix taking a couple of months to settle) and danger (getting the recruitment wrong, or having to try to replace the irreplaceable). But ultimately if we get it right more often than not, we'll keep moving in the right direction. And its clear we are moving in the right direction. Keep the faith!
Good post
NEILLO
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Interesting stuff for sure.This might be interesting reading
Premier League - Transfer balance and five-year comparison
In dieser Statistik werden die Transferbilanzen der letzten fünf bzw. zehn Jahre der Vereine der Premier League miteinander verglichen.
FYI Our 5 year net spend is higher than Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford. So its not a case of not spending.
But ultimately our transfer policy is and will be critical to our growth. And some fans need to understand the dynamics at play:
Until this summer (Olise, Anderson, Jonstone, Ayew) we've had next to no sales. Since 20/20 we've only sold Sorloth and Benteke. For most of our premiership tennure we have been buying older players with no sell on potential. DF and SP have gone a great job in recent years to overhaul the make up of the squad. We now have a lot of young valuable players on the books. This needs to be recognised.
Selling at the right time becomes critical to make the model work, Anderson being a great example of that. JMP will be the next one. We cant be offering silly contracts at the wrong ages. As important as a player might be (JPM is a perfect example) we need to manage the situation perfectly. (JPM is 28 in the summer, value will dramatically decline. So IMO we either need to sell asap, or be comfortable that he'll see his career out with us). Fans generally hate seeing any good player sold, but often fail to appreciate that its for the greater good.
Making the right decisions on players is critical. A lot on here slammed the decision to replace Anderson with Lacroix, however it was the smart call. Replacing with a younger model, banking some cash and selling an aging asset. (On this trajectory Lacroix might be worth £50m in a couple of years, and Anderson will be sat on the bench)
Supplement were possible with free transfers e.g. Lerma/Kamada. Obviously the jury is still out on Kamada, but (although wages are high) allow us to supplement the squad with experience, whilst mitigating the risk (not mandatory to get a transfer fee)
Sell on potential needs to be a huge decision in every transfer. Almiron, Chilwell etc are depreciating assets we cant afford to be making these sort of transfers where they are ultimately released for free.
Of course the model comes with some downsides, turmoil (eg Lacroix taking a couple of months to settle) and danger (getting the recruitment wrong, or having to try to replace the irreplaceable). But ultimately if we get it right more often than not, we'll keep moving in the right direction. And its clear we are moving in the right direction. Keep the faith!
I'd like to think of myself as someone that appreciates the dynamics of the market. And have an understanding of the clubs financial status. And although, like many others, I get frustrated by the way Parish runs things, I do understand the rationale behind his cautious approach.
Having said that, as I wrote on another thread the other day, Palace always seem to be running to stand still. I've seen a shift away from what has usually been a short term approach with players, to bringing the average age of the squad down. And as with Andersen, we might now see Palace looking to sell players at the right time financially - although you could argue we didn't do that with Guehi last window.
I think it's a balancing act in deciding who you can lose and when plus the cost of a replacement.
So as a club we have altered the transfer policy and we have appointed a manager with a whole new ( for Palace ) way of playing, and who has a positive approach v. the negative tendencies that Roy had.
But....here we are again looking at no better than a midtable finish, being realistic. The squad is now stretched to a worrying degree by the injuries that have blighted the season. Two of the summer signings, Nketieh and Kamada have been hugely disappointing. More than ever, we need those two to step up and start delivering. And hope that Adam Wharton can get back to his best.
I'll apologise now for coming across a bit doomy and gloomy - Willo, I'm not trying to take your job away from you 😉 - but in terms of moving in the right direction, I'm just not feeling it !
You obviously haven't read the completely unprovoked and unnecessary insults he has thrown in my and others directions then? Either that or you are the type to turn the other cheek. Thats your choice. I'm not that type of person. Attack me? Fine. Just dont expect not to get the same back.
The meaning of the word sorry is you regret your actions and vow not to repeat them. Cant really see what this guy is apologising for as we all know he'll be back at it next week.
Brighton8r
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Good post , and in Mr Parishs exact words " If you stand still in this league you are going backwards"
Fair enough
As becky said there is always the ignore option if you dont want to read his posts .
I think the start we had (the reasons for which have been talked to death so I wont go back into that) is the reason we are looking at a mid table finish. I truly believe we could well have been setting our sights higher had just 4 results earlier in the season had reaped what we deserved out of the game. Especially if we hadn't lost Wharton who has been so important to our midfield. Hopefully Glasner sees this and is keen to finish as high as possible this season and have real crack at it next.
NOW who needs to give it a rest? Jeez What are you the HOL police? Thats what Mods are there for. I've acknowledged Becky's post. I dont really owe you anything pal