Glasner, Part 2

[PatrickA]

Is he particularly restricted though?

Including heatmaps below for Eze and Gakpo this season - Gakpo being an example of someone actually being asked to play left-wing...

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I'm not suggesting Eze is being asked to play left wing.
I'm saying most of his work is concentrated towards the left either side of the halfway line.
I look at Gibbs White and Kluivert and they are not similarly restricted.
They pick the ball up anywhere and attack the final third committing defenders and creating spaces for forward players.
Now it may be that Eze is not as dynamic as Gibbs White or Kluivert, but I think we can all agree that Eze should be contributing more than he is at present.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Dont let the truth get in a good story 'Glasner out!' 'Change the formation!'

To be fair I don't think PatrickA is deliberately misrepresenting anything in his post (unlike some others), but I think the heat maps provide an interesting objective measure of what we're discussing.

Criticisms of the current system can be valid enough; I agree we are often overrun in midfield and I agree that Mitchell is not the most natural of fits for his role, but in my view the pros outweigh the cons, and I certainly wouldn't be keen to change the whole approach to accommodate a player who has frankly looked like he couldn't give a s*** for most of the season.

To me, Eze is (at least in theory) a perfect profile for this hybrid left-10 role in Glasner's system, as he demonstrated last season - I don't apportion much blame at all to the system for his poor performances this season.

 

[Davepalace707]

Is he particularly restricted though?

Including heatmaps below for Eze and Gakpo this season - Gakpo being an example of someone actually being asked to play left-wing...

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Brentford often sat off him and gave him space which he pretty much did nothing creative with

 

[JHB]

Brentford often sat off him and gave him space which he pretty much did nothing creative with

Apart from when he created our only first half chance, our best moment of the second half (before the goal) by dribbling through their defence, or providing the cross we scored from? So apart from being the instigator of our three best moments of the match then he did nothing. Just more than anyone else in the team.

 

[NEILLO]

Apart form when he created our only first half chance, our best moment of the second half (before the goal) by dribbling through their defence, or providing the cross we scored from? So apart from being the instigator of our three best moments of the match then he did nothing. Just more than anyone else in the team.

That’s more or less what I posted on the Eze thread last week.

He’s been frustrating this season as he clearly has big ‘ moments ‘ in his locker, but the trade off has been a less than dynamic approach and a tendency to concede possession too cheaply.

 

[MrRobbo]

I'm not suggesting Eze is being asked to play left wing.
I'm saying most of his work is concentrated towards the left either side of the halfway line.
I look at Gibbs White and Kluivert and they are not similarly restricted.
They pick the ball up anywhere and attack the final third committing defenders and creating spaces for forward players.
Now it may be that Eze is not as dynamic as Gibbs White or Kluivert, but I think we can all agree that Eze should be contributing more than he is at present.

MGW is everywhere. But Kluivert is even tighter to the left than Eze.

 

[MrRobbo]

To be fair I don't think PatrickA is deliberately misrepresenting anything in his post (unlike some others), but I think the heat maps provide an interesting objective measure of what we're discussing.

Criticisms of the current system can be valid enough; I agree we are often overrun in midfield and I agree that Mitchell is not the most natural of fits for his role, but in my view the pros outweigh the cons, and I certainly wouldn't be keen to change the whole approach to accommodate a player who has frankly looked like he couldn't give a s*** for most of the season.

To me, Eze is (at least in theory) a perfect profile for this hybrid left-10 role in Glasner's system, as he demonstrated last season - I don't apportion much blame at all to the system for his poor performances this season.

100% agree.

We'll all have a view on a game/player IRL, but its always useful to refer back to something more objective.

And also with you on blame vs system.

Eze is continuing to provide some moments of magic, BUT, for a player of his talent are too few and far between. He needs to find a way of imposing himself on games

 

[JHB]

That’s more or less what I posted on the Eze thread last week.

He’s been frustrating this season as he clearly has big ‘ moments ‘ in his locker, but the trade off has been a less than dynamic approach and a tendency to concede possession too cheaply.

I agree. Eze definitely isn’t playing at his best and is off form. That is frustrating for all of us watching. However, I find some of the criticism, calling him lazy, calling for him to be dropped, to be over the top. Even playing below his best he is still creating more than most of the rest of the team. If he was dropped as some people want, we would be less effective.

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

I agree. Eze definitely isn’t playing at his best and is off form. That is frustrating for all of us watching. However, I find some of the criticism, calling him lazy, calling for him to be dropped, to be over the top. Even playing below his best he is still creating more than most of the rest of the team. If he was dropped as some people want, we would be less effective.

You're not wrong JHB

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I agree. Eze definitely isn’t playing at his best and is off form. That is frustrating for all of us watching. However, I find some of the criticism, calling him lazy, calling for him to be dropped, to be over the top. Even playing below his best he is still creating more than most of the rest of the team. If he was dropped as some people want, we would be less effective.

To be fair I think only one person on the thread has suggested dropping him.

Most people, like yourself, are just discussing his frustrating form.

 

[NEILLO]

I agree. Eze definitely isn’t playing at his best and is off form. That is frustrating for all of us watching. However, I find some of the criticism, calling him lazy, calling for him to be dropped, to be over the top. Even playing below his best he is still creating more than most of the rest of the team. If he was dropped as some people want, we would be less effective.

As I also posted, I think that could be part of the problem. With a squad stretched by injuries, there’s not much , if any, pressure on his selection.

At the moment I consider him to be virtually undroppable !

 

[JHB]

As I also posted, I think that could be part of the problem. With a squad stretched by injuries, there’s not much , if any, pressure on his selection.

At the moment I consider him to be virtually undroppable !

100%. We sadly don’t have the luxury of say deciding between De Bruyne or Phil Foden depending who is on form. Big drop off from first eleven to squad in a lot of positions. Not a surprise given injuries and our budget.

 

[Jacey]

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[Palacesince64]

When you watch Eze over 90+ minutes he is frustrating because he passes backwards so often, runs up blind alleys losing the ball, doesn’t press well, and generally looks like he’s playing at 80% much of the time. Yet when you watch a 3 minute highlight he plays the killer pass to Munoz or the brilliant flick like he did to JP. He can be anonymous then play a free kick to Guehi at the back post. He’s a game changer but hugely frustrating because he could be Kevin de Bruyne in his pomp rather than Kevin de Bruyne as he is now.

I dont accept that he’s constrained by the system Ollie plays. He’s a 10 and should be finding space. Mitchell isn’t a natural LWB but he does get forward when we have the ball so Eze can make runs inside. He can also come deep to collect the ball from our DMs and turn rather than pass it back. In short with the talent he has he could and should be doing more to control the game.

Ollie has improved many of our players but hasn’t so far found the key to getting more out of Eze. It’s early days in his link up with Sarr and maybe, if those who say he’s not the same without Olise are correct, Esse will bring the best out of him. If his cameo against Brentford is anything to go by he does possess that extra something that could bring the best out of Eze. His movement for his goal was outstanding. Eze was never someone who instinctively knew where to be or when to make runs. He couldn’t have done what Esse did. His talent is in what he does with the ball when it comes to him. He’s just needs to do it more often.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I'm not suggesting Eze is being asked to play left wing.
I'm saying most of his work is concentrated towards the left either side of the halfway line.
I look at Gibbs White and Kluivert and they are not similarly restricted.
They pick the ball up anywhere and attack the final third committing defenders and creating spaces for forward players.
Now it may be that Eze is not as dynamic as Gibbs White or Kluivert, but I think we can all agree that Eze should be contributing more than he is at present.

Its like banging your head against a brick trying to explain that, Eze plays with freedom in the middle of the 3 AM players, Like GW and K, also he has the handicap of Mitchell, compare the two "wingbacks" the players he has DONT FIT HIS SYSTEM, if he brings 2 or 3 players in it might be different, if we don't we are in trouble, can you imagine an injury to Muñoz, it doesn't bear thinking about.

 

[Willo]

When you watch Eze over 90+ minutes he is frustrating because he passes backwards so often, runs up blind alleys losing the ball, doesn’t press well, and generally looks like he’s playing at 80% much of the time. Yet when you watch a 3 minute highlight he plays the killer pass to Munoz or the brilliant flick like he did to JP. He can be anonymous then play a free kick to Guehi at the back post. He’s a game changer but hugely frustrating because he could be Kevin de Bruyne in his pomp rather than Kevin de Bruyne as he is now.

I dont accept that he’s constrained by the system Ollie plays. He’s a 10 and should be finding space. Mitchell isn’t a natural LWB but he does get forward when we have the ball so Eze can make runs inside. He can also come deep to collect the ball from our DMs and turn rather than pass it back. In short with the talent he has he could and should be doing more to control the game.

Ollie has improved many of our players but hasn’t so far found the key to getting more out of Eze. It’s early days in his link up with Sarr and maybe, if those who say he’s not the same without Olise are correct, Esse will bring the best out of him. If his cameo against Brentford is anything to go by he does possess that extra something that could bring the best out of Eze. His movement for his goal was outstanding. Eze was never someone who instinctively knew where to be or when to make runs. He couldn’t have done what Esse did. His talent is in what he does with the ball when it comes to him. He’s just needs to do it more often.

I have been in communication with a gentleman who has been a Millwall aficionado for many a year.
He informed me that Esse was deployed at Millwall behind a single striker anywhere across the pitch, normally coming in off the right.

 

[Palacesince64]

I have been in communication with a gentleman who has been a Millwall aficionado for many a year.
He informed me that Esse was deployed at Millwall behind a single striker anywhere across the pitch, normally coming in off the right.

That must have been a challenging communication Willo what with your excellent command of the English language and his Neanderthal grunts. I assume you limited it to words of one syllable?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Its like banging your head against a brick trying to explain that, Eze plays with freedom in the middle of the 3 AM players, Like GW and K, also he has the handicap of Mitchell, compare the two "wingbacks" the players he has DONT FIT HIS SYSTEM, if he brings 2 or 3 players in it might be different, if we don't we are in trouble, can you imagine an injury to Muñoz, it doesn't bear thinking about.

We have lost 3 out of 15 league games. We are not in any sort of trouble - again, if you really believe that have £20 on 66/1 and cover it.

How is our squad, which includes only two wingers, one of whom is a kid who has never played at this level, better suited to a system entirely reliant on productive wingers..?

Answer: it's not, you just want to build a whole system around your favourite player.

 

[Willo]

That must have been a challenging communication Willo what with your excellent command of the English language and his Neanderthal grunts. I assume you limited it to words of one syllable?

That's very kind of you to label my command of the English language "Excellent", however I respectfully disagree on this matter. I certainly don't view myself as possessing rhetorical panache.

Apropos the Millwall aficionado, I have known this person for several years and never ever heard a Neanderthal grunt emanate from him.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

We have lost 3 out of 15 league games. We are not in any sort of trouble - again, if you really believe that have £20 on 66/1 and cover it.

How is our squad, which includes only two wingers, one of whom is a kid who has never played at this level, better suited to a system entirely reliant on productive wingers..?

Answer: it's not, you just want to build a whole system around your favourite player.

i will wait until the end of the transfer window, maybe a plethora of suitable candidates will appear, if not i will gamble on Glasner leaving before the end of the season,