Glasner Out

We’re playing Guehi because he’s one of the best centre backs in the country and it would be insanity and perhaps suicidal to bench him. That being said I don’t see a pressing need to replace him. We have Canvot and Lerma with Riad starting to play again for the under 21s.

If as expected Glasner decides to leave then the new manager is more likely to play 4 at the back since managers who play with a back 3 are in the minority. Lacroix and Richards would be a mobile and effective pairing at central defence with cover from Riad for Max and Canvot for Chris and Lerma for either.

Johnson fits Glasner’s system as a 10 but would be equally comfortable as a winger should we play differently under our next manager. What we do need to concentrate on is a striker who has the potential to score 20 goals a season (difficult I know!) and a goal scoring midfielder.
You’ve missed my point. IF we replaced Marc in January then a run in the team with his defensive partners may be valuable for the new player as we need to look forward. It is no criticism of Marc who has been an absolute stalwart since he came and deserves a shot at the big time and it is also not a gut reaction to Saturday.
An example of this is that it is taking Pino (who replaced Ebs and IS a good player) an age to get up to speed with the EPL, so it could make a pivotal difference for the forthcoming season.
 
As has been said OG is a very good manager and has done great for us. However, his preferred formation (3421) only works for us when we have all our players fit and playing to their full ability.

The moment we have injuries or loss of form (e.g. Pino) it falls down and OG starts putting 'square pegs in round holes' to fill the gaps. Fulham at home last season (when he played Devenny and Guehi in CM) showed us that he was quite inflexible when faced with these problems.

The poor Christmas period was predicted by many 3 or 4 months ago as recruitment was poor, the squad was always paper thin, we knew AFCON was coming up and also OG would rarely play squad players until forced to do so. Even against Villa a few days ago i looked at the team and albeit quite weak bench and said he would not make a sub, unless forced to do so, despite it being our 4th game in about 10 days.

The other 'problem' with the formation is that is suits a counter attacking style so it more effective away from home.

When teams sit back (as per Conference league) we struggle to impose ourselves and the slow build up makes it difficult to break them down. This was very evident in August when we lost Eze against the Norwegian team, yet 5 months on not a lot has changed. It was repeated when we lost to Larnaca and again on Saturday. We have won only 2 home league matches this season.

Then there is our inability to defend set pieces. We seem to predominantly set up in a zonal formation and this hasn't changed in months, despite the poor goals being conceded. Last year at Arsenal we left 3 up front to counter them crowding the goalie, yet 12 months on to the day we were back to all 11 back. This was also the case against Macc even when we were losing.

In cup game she has always played quite strong side, yet this logic was abandoned on Sat despite Shelbourne surely being the blueprint to follow and having a full week of rest after the game.

If Roy was still our manager people would be calling for his head after the last month or so.

When we beat City OG stated we would have lost that game 9 times out of 10, but today was our day. Despite acknowledging the element of luck he has clearly received much praise.
When things go the other way some criticism is also required and he now needs to show us what a really good manager looks like as he has time on the training pitch.
 
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You’ve missed my point. IF we replaced Marc in January then a run in the team with his defensive partners may be valuable for the new player as we need to look forward. It is no criticism of Marc who has been an absolute stalwart since he came and deserves a shot at the big time and it is also not a gut reaction to Saturday.
An example of this is that it is taking Pino (who replaced Ebs and IS a good player) an age to get up to speed with the EPL, so it could make a pivotal difference for the forthcoming season.
I’ve not missed your point, I just don’t agree with it especially at this stage in the season. We need to stabilise and regroup after a lousy run and as I say I can’t see us playing with 3 at the back next season so we don’t need a replacement centre back who might benefit from game time. I would accept that if we get to the last quarter of the season with little to play for then giving Canvot and Riad game time at Marc’s expense would be sensible.
 
Bottom line is, OG's formation and tactics do not work when we have majority possession.

Literally watching defenders on the ball trying to produce something at the corner flag whilst the 10s watch it unfold.

Every conference league game has been a struggle in this formation and system.
 
I doubt very much that our transfer and wages budget would change even if Bill Gates bought Palace. The whole point of FFP is that a club can only spend what it earns, not what a particular owner may have in his pocket at that time.

This is as good a summary as I have found (odd place to find it, but still)....


For those flat-earthers who still question the weight of FFP and PSR, look at Newcastle and Villa.

The former are owned by a sovereign wealth fund who could blow Chelsea, Man United, and Arsenal out of the water in a straight cash fight, but yet the club cannot do what Man City once did and buy top players from those clubs to establish themselves as the new big dogs. Broadly, that is FFP.

Villa spent more than they earned hoping to get into the Champions League, did so, and then still had to sell players. The cost of getting there was greater than the rewards. Broadly, that is PSR.

For me, the idea of 'Glasner Out' is as risible as it is ungrateful, but what I think is worth being clear on is that any Manager (or to put it more accurately, any Head Coach) that bleats in the press about the club not being ambitious enough is, either knowingly or from ignorance, playing silly buggers in a way that few employers would tolerate. There is literally a strict limit on spending tied to income. That's why our budget will not change much unless our income does.

A new owner, or the current owners if they choose to, might want to rack up some extra debt up to the magic £105m mark in the hope of placating Glasner, but that would need to be made back in three years so we would continue to sell our best players regardless.

Personally, I think that Glasner has been such a great manager/coach for us precisely because he is such a great fit for how Palace operate within FFP/PSR. We tend to be stable, not frantic. Investments are made in key players, but on the proviso that they will likely be sold at a profit in the end. We do not need to sell to survive, but must do so to avoid players leaving for free. If you take on the job at Palace there will be a good bunch of pros, a small squad, often one or two star talents, but that's it. Don't try and play like Barcelona or Ajax. Don't alienate the senior core. Have a solid, realistic tactical plan, work on it, stick to it, and we will stand by you.

Based on these ingredients Hodgson prized defensive unity, forged on the training ground and through consistent team selection, and relied heavily on a couple of match-winning talents to carry us. He was a great, pragmatic coach for a smaller club in the top flight, but not one suited to a bigger club. Glasner is exactly that, but the absolute platinum-standard. I think if we were able to provide him with better players in the No10 positions then the team would be better, but not unrecognisable, and he would still be off in the summer.
 
I’ve not missed your point, I just don’t agree with it especially at this stage in the season. We need to stabilise and regroup after a lousy run and as I say I can’t see us playing with 3 at the back next season so we don’t need a replacement centre back who might benefit from game time. I would accept that if we get to the last quarter of the season with little to play for then giving Canvot and Riad game time at Marc’s expense would be sensible.
Yeah that’s fair. Marc is a fabulous player so stability is a win/win - but I do think we need to invest, and next season will be interesting. One thing this season and playing 3 at the back HAS done, in my view, is to turn Mitchell into a much better player.
 
Funny you should mention him, clickbait are picking up on him as well . . .

Good article about him from Guilem Baligue who knows his Spanish football more than most. Not well liked by the football purists there but he’d be a decent fit for Palace and hopefully more like Glasner but with flexibility than Roy.
 
Yeah that’s fair. Marc is a fabulous player so stability is a win/win - but I do think we need to invest, and next season will be interesting. One thing this season and playing 3 at the back HAS done, in my view, is to turn Mitchell into a much better player.
I agree. Munoz will go and get his late chance at the big time but Mitchell will be an asset especially if we go for a back 4.
 
Bottom line is, OG's formation and tactics do not work when we have majority possession.

Literally watching defenders on the ball trying to produce something at the corner flag whilst the 10s watch it unfold.

Every conference league game has been a struggle in this formation and system.
Oh so true. Just maybe, now that the Conf. League is k.o. our opposition might try tin, which in theory would suit our style.
 
I doubt very much that our transfer and wages budget would change even if Bill Gates bought Palace. The whole point of FFP is that a club can only spend what it earns, not what a particular owner may have in his pocket at that time.

This is as good a summary as I have found (odd place to find it, but still)....


For those flat-earthers who still question the weight of FFP and PSR, look at Newcastle and Villa.

The former are owned by a sovereign wealth fund who could blow Chelsea, Man United, and Arsenal out of the water in a straight cash fight, but yet the club cannot do what Man City once did and buy top players from those clubs to establish themselves as the new big dogs. Broadly, that is FFP.

Villa spent more than they earned hoping to get into the Champions League, did so, and then still had to sell players. The cost of getting there was greater than the rewards. Broadly, that is PSR.

For me, the idea of 'Glasner Out' is as risible as it is ungrateful, but what I think is worth being clear on is that any Manager (or to put it more accurately, any Head Coach) that bleats in the press about the club not being ambitious enough is, either knowingly or from ignorance, playing silly buggers in a way that few employers would tolerate. There is literally a strict limit on spending tied to income. That's why our budget will not change much unless our income does.

A new owner, or the current owners if they choose to, might want to rack up some extra debt up to the magic £105m mark in the hope of placating Glasner, but that would need to be made back in three years so we would continue to sell our best players regardless.

Personally, I think that Glasner has been such a great manager/coach for us precisely because he is such a great fit for how Palace operate within FFP/PSR. We tend to be stable, not frantic. Investments are made in key players, but on the proviso that they will likely be sold at a profit in the end. We do not need to sell to survive, but must do so to avoid players leaving for free. If you take on the job at Palace there will be a good bunch of pros, a small squad, often one or two star talents, but that's it. Don't try and play like Barcelona or Ajax. Don't alienate the senior core. Have a solid, realistic tactical plan, work on it, stick to it, and we will stand by you.

Based on these ingredients Hodgson prized defensive unity, forged on the training ground and through consistent team selection, and relied heavily on a couple of match-winning talents to carry us. He was a great, pragmatic coach for a smaller club in the top flight, but not one suited to a bigger club. Glasner is exactly that, but the absolute platinum-standard. I think if we were able to provide him with better players in the No10 positions then the team would be better, but not unrecognisable, and he would still be off in the summer.
wow great post the best ive read , it all makes sense , have you dealt with management in your job because I recognise it lol
 
Nothings controversial, but yesterday's performance had nothing to do with formation, tactics, etc id put the blame entirely down to the players. Okay he could have picked a stronger 11 but the team he did pick, had more than enough quality.
Agree completely. it was down to a lack of effort/urgency which is totally unacceptable
 
Well, OG's had all the credit when results have been good and trophies won so it's normal to attract criticism after a result and performance like that at Macclesfield.

However, looking at that game in isolation, it shouldn't really have mattered in terms of team selection and tactics. A Premier League team, albeit not at full strength, should still have enough about them to beat non-league opposition.

A year ago is a real contrast to now. The team were just starting to click after a number of injuries. Eze, previously bang average, suddenly started to produce his best form and the system resembled a well oiled machine. This season the fine early form has gone, injuries have taken their toll and the manager is struggling to get the best out of available resources.

My hope for this season was that we would build on last seasons success. That doesn't make me ' entitled ' just wanting to keep the momentum going. In my opinion that simply hasn't happened. But at least we have a clearer run in the Conference League without FA cup games. Further squad enhancement wouldn't go amiss as well.
My concern is if Glasner doesn't arrest this slide we'll not have to worry about the Conference League for much longer either.
 
The worst year in the clubs history . Really? Because of 1 result.
We have gone out the Fa Cup as we have every single year except 1.
The team/way we went out wasn’t the best, but we move on to sunderland away.
Yes so far...it's only the second week in January FFS and we've lost to a bunch of part time plumbers electricians and the like.
Hopefully it'll get better. Can't get any worse. Sorry mate but I'm struggling with this result having watched us since probably before your parents were born.
That said Macclesfield were superb and wish them all the best in the next round and the future. Great little club
 
Does he really? All he does is stifle young maverick players to play in his system etc esse. Eze and Olise did it in spite of him not because of him
Eze and Ollise can read the game and know when to get on their toes and help out in their own half . Esse unfortunately sees situations too late both defensively and when attacking and contributes little .

We dont have a position in our club thats called Maverick ,if we do its on the bench at best ,a title for an unused sub maybe
 
Eze and Ollise can read the game and know when to get on their toes and help out in their own half . Esse unfortunately sees situations too late both defensively and when attacking and contributes little .

We dont have a position in our club thats called Maverick ,if we do its on the bench at best ,a title for an unused sub maybe
I thought that was above Parish door and Goose was above Brights office.
 
Yes so far...it's only the second week in January FFS and we've lost to a bunch of part time plumbers electricians and the like.
Hopefully it'll get better. Can't get any worse. Sorry mate but I'm struggling with this result having watched us since probably before your parents were born.
That said Macclesfield were superb and wish them all the best in the next round and the future. Great little club
One was a P.E. teacher. 😈
 
Everything i have said for 6 months is coming true, one trick pony, lack of imagination, poor media relations, poor judge of player, a manager that can only play one way, and then only if his first 11 are ready, the Emperors new clothes, he is a poor manager, use your eyes, FFS gullible is the word, moronic line ups, pathetic moaning arrogant prick.
 

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