Glasner Out

[eritheagle]

I watched the Coventry Southampton game, thoroughly entertaining in terms of speed of movement and attempts to get in and score.

I was in a pub yesterday with all three 2.00 PL games on. The Utd game looked ok but the Forest Fulham and Palace Leeds matches were appalling.

I’m not sure Championship team fans will want to come up if that is the way you are expected to play to get a result.

I watch more championship matches than epl on tv now.
much more exciting and no var!!

I would say much less rolling around grasping their heads when they haven't been touched too bus s'oton bucked that trend on saturday a couple of times.

It was a quality game on saturday though.

 

[NEILLO]

Asking for a friend, but can there be a stop to the call to put Paddy in charge for the rest of the season nonsense.

Ok, it's actually me asking ( no friends you see ) but this and the constant same old criticism of tactics etc. is as boring as the home games are at the moment.

If it hasn't already sunk in, OG is not going to change. As of this moment we are 3 points from an unlikely Conference League qualification and still actually competing for that competition. All of the clubs below us and I'm sure a couple just above would swap places with us if they could.

I'm as frustrated as anyone at events of this season. But it's not all on Glasner.

My wishes for this week are a win on Thursday and that this thread is closed down.

 

[SurbsEagle]

One of the biggest issues in the squad at the moment is the lack of creativity in defence. You can see the gap that Guehi has left - Canvot receives the ball and either goes really simple (sideways to Lacroix/Richards) or he tries a progressive pass but he doesn't have the same ball playing creativity that Guehi has. This has disjointed the whole team's rhythm,

- When Mitchell pushes forward with the ball, the left sided 10 moves inwards and he used to have Guehi to help him play the triangles further up the pitch. Canvot just doesn't give that support.

- All forward passes that were over 20 yards used to come from Wharton and Guehi - now with no Guehi, this mostly comes through Wharton and for our opposition, just mark Wharton and you've closed that avenue of attack.

- Guehi used to come forward with the ball, which in doing so allowed the 10 to move from their "post" and create space and movement up front. Canvot is not doing that, which means that we are now more rigid in attack and easier to read.

Calling for a change in formation from what the entire squad and coaching staff have been used to for 2 years in the middle of March is ridiculous, whatever the circumstances. Most important thing is, we are not losing many games (2 since January!) so why would we now change formation?
We have a crucial European tie on Thursday, we are safe in the league and we have a really decent squad to build from for next season. Yes the football is boring to watch but unfortunately it has to be due to the points made above. It's also nowhere near the dredge crap that Roy used to serve us towards the end of his tenure.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Asking for a friend, but can there be a stop to the call to put Paddy in charge for the rest of the season nonsense.

Ok, it's actually me asking ( no friends you see ) but this and the constant same old criticism of tactics etc. is as boring as the home games are at the moment.

If it hasn't already sunk in, OG is not going to change. As of this moment we are 3 points from an unlikely Conference League qualification and still actually competing for that competition. All of the clubs below us and I'm sure a couple just above would swap places with us if they could.

I'm as frustrated as anyone at events of this season. But it's not all on Glasner.

My wishes for this week are a win on Thursday and that this thread is closed down.

Three points on your post, 1 if everyone knows he isn't going to change, and we are getting worse game by game, why is he still manager, 2, if you want to win the conference, we will not win it with the tactics he uses, so why is he still manager, 3, if its not all on Glasner, who is it about.

 

[Willo]

One of the biggest issues in the squad at the moment is the lack of creativity in defence. You can see the gap that Guehi has left - Canvot receives the ball and either goes really simple (sideways to Lacroix/Richards) or he tries a progressive pass but he doesn't have the same ball playing creativity that Guehi has. This has disjointed the whole team's rhythm,

- When Mitchell pushes forward with the ball, the left sided 10 moves inwards and he used to have Guehi to help him play the triangles further up the pitch. Canvot just doesn't give that support.

- All forward passes that were over 20 yards used to come from Wharton and Guehi - now with no Guehi, this mostly comes through Wharton and for our opposition, just mark Wharton and you've closed that avenue of attack.

- Guehi used to come forward with the ball, which in doing so allowed the 10 to move from their "post" and create space and movement up front. Canvot is not doing that, which means that we are now more rigid in attack and easier to read.

Calling for a change in formation from what the entire squad and coaching staff have been used to for 2 years in the middle of March is ridiculous, whatever the circumstances. Most important thing is, we are not losing many games (2 since January!) so why would we now change formation?
We have a crucial European tie on Thursday, we are safe in the league and we have a really decent squad to build from for next season. Yes the football is boring to watch but unfortunately it has to be due to the points made above. It's also nowhere near the dredge crap that Roy used to serve us towards the end of his tenure.

I am in agreement with your tactical observations and have made similar points on HOL and privately.

 

[NEILLO]

Three points on your post, 1 if everyone knows he isn't going to change, and we are getting worse game by game, why is he still manager, 2, if you want to win the conference, we will not win it with the tactics he uses, so why is he still manager, 3, if its not all on Glasner, who is it about.

1. Ask Steve Parish
2. That’s your opinion, not a fact - but also see 1.
3. Whoever oversaw the the transfer window last summer - this has been debated on many occasions…..

 

[PatrickA]

One of the biggest issues in the squad at the moment is the lack of creativity in defence. You can see the gap that Guehi has left - Canvot receives the ball and either goes really simple (sideways to Lacroix/Richards) or he tries a progressive pass but he doesn't have the same ball playing creativity that Guehi has. This has disjointed the whole team's rhythm,

- When Mitchell pushes forward with the ball, the left sided 10 moves inwards and he used to have Guehi to help him play the triangles further up the pitch. Canvot just doesn't give that support.

- All forward passes that were over 20 yards used to come from Wharton and Guehi - now with no Guehi, this mostly comes through Wharton and for our opposition, just mark Wharton and you've closed that avenue of attack.

- Guehi used to come forward with the ball, which in doing so allowed the 10 to move from their "post" and create space and movement up front. Canvot is not doing that, which means that we are now more rigid in attack and easier to read.

Calling for a change in formation from what the entire squad and coaching staff have been used to for 2 years in the middle of March is ridiculous, whatever the circumstances. Most important thing is, we are not losing many games (2 since January!) so why would we now change formation?
We have a crucial European tie on Thursday, we are safe in the league and we have a really decent squad to build from for next season. Yes the football is boring to watch but unfortunately it has to be due to the points made above. It's also nowhere near the dredge crap that Roy used to serve us towards the end of his tenure.

 

[CrazyBadger]

Largely with Lanzo on this. Parish and Co have (unsurprisingly) decided that PL survival is the no.1 priority, and it has to be said that keeping OG appears to have been the correct call in that regard.

This season has shown glaring holes in his managerial ability, which prior to that xmas period, wasn't particularly prevalent.

The no 'plan b' accusation is thrown at managers with regularity, and it's clear that OG doesn't or is unwilling to use one - even when against less players or when it's obvious 'plan a' it's not working. There's now an argument that 'plan a' isn't working either.
I've always thought that what differentiates a Good manager from a Great manager is the ability to change things to solve problems, either in game or in training. OG has shown neither, so he remains only a Good manager.

But Lanzo is right, we won't win the conference with these Tactics, and that more than anything is really disappointing; Our first foray into Europe and we've wholly underperformed. furthermore we've got clear talent in the squad, whose potential we are not seeing as OG hasn't been able to find a way to use them effectively.

We could be, should be doing a lot better. and that's on the manager.

 

[PatrickA]

One of the biggest issues in the squad at the moment is the lack of creativity in defence. You can see the gap that Guehi has left - Canvot receives the ball and either goes really simple (sideways to Lacroix/Richards) or he tries a progressive pass but he doesn't have the same ball playing creativity that Guehi has. This has disjointed the whole team's rhythm,

- When Mitchell pushes forward with the ball, the left sided 10 moves inwards and he used to have Guehi to help him play the triangles further up the pitch. Canvot just doesn't give that support.

- All forward passes that were over 20 yards used to come from Wharton and Guehi - now with no Guehi, this mostly comes through Wharton and for our opposition, just mark Wharton and you've closed that avenue of attack.

- Guehi used to come forward with the ball, which in doing so allowed the 10 to move from their "post" and create space and movement up front. Canvot is not doing that, which means that we are now more rigid in attack and easier to read.

Calling for a change in formation from what the entire squad and coaching staff have been used to for 2 years in the middle of March is ridiculous, whatever the circumstances. Most important thing is, we are not losing many games (2 since January!) so why would we now change formation?
We have a crucial European tie on Thursday, we are safe in the league and we have a really decent squad to build from for next season. Yes the football is boring to watch but unfortunately it has to be due to the points made above. It's also nowhere near the dredge crap that Roy used to serve us towards the end of his tenure.

Excellent analysis.

Where I disagree is the assertion that ‘it would be ridiculous’ to change the formation at this stage of the season.

Manchester United and Leeds have both shown significant improvement since changing their formations during the season to suit their available resources.
It can be done.

Our system worked well by and large with Guehi, Eze, a fit and firing Mateta and a fit and available Munoz.
Take those components out and it doesn’t work.
You end up with compromises e.g Devenny, Clyne, Sosa or Johnson as RWB which clearly does not work.
Nketiah, Devenny, Kamada and Pino have been tried in the Eze role and again it doesn’t work.
It’s not just they don’t have Eze’s quality, they look ill at ease in the position.
Furthermore, it’s becoming more evident each game that Larsen is a very different proposition to Mateta.
He doesn’t have Mateta’s physical presence or power to hold up the play and bring others into the game, which was key to Glasner’s system working.
Larsen needs early delivery (which he’s not getting) in order to demonstrate his finishing prowess.

Can anybody seriously claim that Glasner’s system is getting the best out of the available players?
I would contend that it does not suit the majority of the squad and results and performances in the last few months have demonstrated that.

 

[eritheagle]

1. Ask Steve Parish
2. That’s your opinion, not a fact - but also see 1.
3. Whoever oversaw the the transfer window last summer - this has been debated on many occasions…..

No.3 is your opinion and not a fact also.

 

[palace99]

Asking for a friend, but can there be a stop to the call to put Paddy in charge for the rest of the season nonsense.

Ok, it's actually me asking ( no friends you see ) but this and the constant same old criticism of tactics etc. is as boring as the home games are at the moment.

If it hasn't already sunk in, OG is not going to change. As of this moment we are 3 points from an unlikely Conference League qualification and still actually competing for that competition. All of the clubs below us and I'm sure a couple just above would swap places with us if they could.

I'm as frustrated as anyone at events of this season. But it's not all on Glasner.

My wishes for this week are a win on Thursday and that this thread is closed down.

clearly football is all about opinions, and i'm happy for people to disagree with me but we know OG won't change the system, hence why a change would not be a terrible thing (IMHO).

The glass half full argument that we are not far off a decent position is ignoring how many points we've been quite fortunate to get (Burnley and Fulham away before Xmas spring immediately to mind) and recent wins have hardly been emphatic (Wolves and Brighton etc).

Although OG has an European title to his name and so deserves respect the current tactics will not win us the Conf league, and possibly not even Thursday's game.

My biggest concern is the in game tactics - things change within games, goals, both for and against, opposition tactics, sending offs, injuries etc yet it is the same old regardless.

Similarly the argument that we can't change tactics midway through a season is so so misguided.
Firstly, EVERY player grows up playing 442 or 433 so it's hardly a radical formation.
Clubs change manager mid season regularly and each manager has a slightly different playing style - players adjust (a bit like OG's first season). Look at Man U under Carrick as a perfect example.
Similarly, tactics change mid game - the team is losing, let's put another striker on etc.
Finally, some teams, such as Brentford change their tactics depending on the opposition (so 352 or 433) etc.

For me it's not mid season, we are 80% through the season and with c£3m for each place a few more points would be welcome. I also think entertainment should be a factor and we have been anything but for most of this season. Even with c£100m of extra forwards in January the improvement has been limited.

Having played and watched football for over 50 years whilst you occasionally get a freak result ultimately the more shots you have, the more good quality crosses you put into the opposition box, the more possession you have in the final 3rd etc the more likely you are to win games.

It's that simple IMHO and currently i don't think we really have any tactics for scoring in open play other than moment of magic/luck etc.

If that's not down to the manager, i don't know what is.

 

[NEILLO]

No.3 is your opinion and not a fact also.

I must have missed the bit where I said it was.

 

[CrazyBadger]

Furthermore, if we are truly 'safe' and not realistically going to win the conference. Why bother persisting with OG?
I'd have hoped we've identified our favorite replacement. so get him in, give him the last 10 games of the season to evaluate the squad, and to give our xfer window the best chance to be successful.

 

[NEILLO]

Furthermore, if we are truly 'safe' and not realistically going to win the conference. Why bother persisting with OG?
I'd have hoped we've identified our favorite replacement. so get him in, give him the last 10 games of the season to evaluate the squad, and to give our xfer window the best chance to be successful.

According to some, we aren't safe.

And while we are still in the Conference then we still have a chance of winning it. Your opinion clearly is that we won't, but that doesn't alter the fact.

You may '' hope '' we have a replacement lined up for OG. And we might have. But he may not be available until the end of his contract.

 

[CrazyBadger]

According to some, we aren't safe.

And while we are still in the Conference then we still have a chance of winning it. Your opinion clearly is that we won't, but that doesn't alter the fact.

You may '' hope '' we have a replacement lined up for OG. And we might have. But he may not be available until the end of his contract.

fair enough.
Personally don't think we're definitely safe yet, I'd go with 'probably safe' - another 3 points wouldn't go amiss.

As I mentioned, I can't see us winning the conference playing like we are. In fact I think we'd have a better chance with a different philosophy going forward from here. but if the first choice isn't available, I understand that.